Re: [AMC-list] Pacer motor mounts oddities

[Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>]

That sounds much more likely than a Pacer-only block. : )

Ken


Quoting Glen Hoag <hoag@xxxxxxxxxx>:

> It wasn't that the block was a one-off, but Pacer had unique motor 
> mount brackets and mounts.  IIRC, there is at least one new motor 
> mount boss on the 1975-up block to accommodate the Pacer brackets, so 
> in that regard, the Pacer block was different, but once changed, the 
> same block was used on everything until the next change, which I 
> think was for the Eagle front axle mount.  I think that extra boss is 
> where the knock sensor wound up on the 4.0 block.
> 
> AMC's "1975 Car Service Highlights" booklet (Pub A751001A), which was 
> part of an annual series for mechanics to let them know the major 
> changes from the prior year, says that the new accessory arrangement 
> lowered the engine profile by three inches. (p 30)  Since Pacer was 
> not yet introduced when this publication was released, no mention of 
> it appears, and it isn't immediately obvious as to why the lower 
> profile was necessary.   The water pump was also redesigned for 1975. 
> (p 32)  The new accessory arrangement, while necessary for Pacer, was 
> used on all 1975-up AMC cars.
> 
> --Glen
> 
> At 08:21 AM 3/10/2011, you wrote:
> >Seems like a odd thing to spend $40 million on development and 
> >production of the Pacer which shared few parts with anything else 
> >AMC too....just a couple years before AMC had spent $40 million 
> >buying Jeep from Willys you know.
> >
> >So AMC got away from mode that made them 
> >successful.....interchangability of parts.......in the 60s, and much 
> >spent for glass, sheetmetal, dies, pressing, molds, rather endless 
> >here of what things unique as the Pacer itself. And Matador coupes. 
> >And Marlin lessons not learned before them.
> >
> >Not knock on Pacer, Matty coupes or Marlin, it is just that AMC was 
> >top of game with getting away with 'new' models with cosmetic 
> >changes. How many of you remember AMC mentioning that "they were 
> >going to introduce a NEW model every SIX months" in 1970?
> >
> >By 1971......you had 3 different Gremlins; 7 different Hornets; 3 
> >different Matadors; 3 different Javelins; and count them.....7 
> >different Ambassador series. Total *23* models to choos from in your 
> >nearest AMC dealership. Easy as looking at back of your NOS 1971 
> >full line color catalog and see choices! So subtle and not so subtle 
> >changes made a new model for AMC...easy as 'base' to 'DPL' to 'SST' 
> >for instance.
> >
> >For all customers price ranges. That was marketing genius in my 
> >humble opinion, sort of what you see companies doing now, making 
> >smaller cereal boxes, or concave bottom of glass jar of peanut 
> >butter......looks same, costs same at store, just uh, getting LESS 
> >product. New & Improved! That's the Spirit Thing, lend a hand! As 
> >Gomez would say.......
> >
> >$40 million. I could hang with Charlie Sheen for a night in Veags 
> >and his girls with that.
> >Eddie Stakes
> >713.464.8825
> >eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >www.planethoustonamx.com
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Ames" <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
> >To: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "AMC, 
> >Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 1:50 AM
> >Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Pacer in CO Springs /pacer motor mounts oddities
> >
> >
> >>Seems like an odd thing for AMC to do - have a special block for one
> model.
> >>
> >>Ken
> >>
> >>
> >>Quoting Eddie Stakes <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> >>
> >>>Glen Hoag mentioned of the Pacer in CO here:
> >>>
> >>>http://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/2234564950.html
> >>>
> >>>"I'm fairly certain that the 1974 and earlier blocks will not fit the
> Pacer.
> >>>Attachment
> >>>points for the motor mount brackets to the block may also have changed."
> >>>
> >>>I had hell of a time finding a Pacer six years ago for my custom woodie
> >>>wagon, I could get
> >>>regular old 232 and 258 at pick a parts for $89 whole engine, but none of
> >>>them would fit
> >>>as the motor mounts were totally different for Pacer. So had to find a
> Pacer
> >>>to
> >>>cannibalize for drivetrain. A 258 is a 258 and 232 is 232 until it is in
> a
> >>>Pacer, they sat
> >>>in at odd angle, was not motor mounts, was the actual block mounting was
> >>>different. So
> >>>bought whole Pacer and pulled drivetrain for my woodie wagon
> >>>
> >>>http://www.planethoustonamx.com/stuff/pacer-commercial.htm
> >>>
> >>>and parted out rest years ago.
> >>>
> >>>Eddie Stakes
> >>>713.464.8825
> >>>eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>www.planethoustonamx.com
> >>>
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