Re: [AMC-list] Pacer motor mounts oddities
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Re: [AMC-list] Pacer motor mounts oddities



It wasn't that the block was a one-off, but Pacer had unique motor mount brackets and mounts. IIRC, there is at least one new motor mount boss on the 1975-up block to accommodate the Pacer brackets, so in that regard, the Pacer block was different, but once changed, the same block was used on everything until the next change, which I think was for the Eagle front axle mount. I think that extra boss is where the knock sensor wound up on the 4.0 block.

AMC's "1975 Car Service Highlights" booklet (Pub A751001A), which was part of an annual series for mechanics to let them know the major changes from the prior year, says that the new accessory arrangement lowered the engine profile by three inches. (p 30) Since Pacer was not yet introduced when this publication was released, no mention of it appears, and it isn't immediately obvious as to why the lower profile was necessary. The water pump was also redesigned for 1975. (p 32) The new accessory arrangement, while necessary for Pacer, was used on all 1975-up AMC cars.

--Glen

At 08:21 AM 3/10/2011, you wrote:
Seems like a odd thing to spend $40 million on development and production of the Pacer which shared few parts with anything else AMC too....just a couple years before AMC had spent $40 million buying Jeep from Willys you know.

So AMC got away from mode that made them successful.....interchangability of parts.......in the 60s, and much spent for glass, sheetmetal, dies, pressing, molds, rather endless here of what things unique as the Pacer itself. And Matador coupes. And Marlin lessons not learned before them.

Not knock on Pacer, Matty coupes or Marlin, it is just that AMC was top of game with getting away with 'new' models with cosmetic changes. How many of you remember AMC mentioning that "they were going to introduce a NEW model every SIX months" in 1970?

By 1971......you had 3 different Gremlins; 7 different Hornets; 3 different Matadors; 3 different Javelins; and count them.....7 different Ambassador series. Total *23* models to choos from in your nearest AMC dealership. Easy as looking at back of your NOS 1971 full line color catalog and see choices! So subtle and not so subtle changes made a new model for AMC...easy as 'base' to 'DPL' to 'SST' for instance.

For all customers price ranges. That was marketing genius in my humble opinion, sort of what you see companies doing now, making smaller cereal boxes, or concave bottom of glass jar of peanut butter......looks same, costs same at store, just uh, getting LESS product. New & Improved! That's the Spirit Thing, lend a hand! As Gomez would say.......

$40 million. I could hang with Charlie Sheen for a night in Veags and his girls with that.
Eddie Stakes
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Ames" <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Pacer in CO Springs /pacer motor mounts oddities


Seems like an odd thing for AMC to do - have a special block for one model.

Ken


Quoting Eddie Stakes <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

Glen Hoag mentioned of the Pacer in CO here:

http://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/2234564950.html

"I'm fairly certain that the 1974 and earlier blocks will not fit the Pacer.
Attachment
points for the motor mount brackets to the block may also have changed."

I had hell of a time finding a Pacer six years ago for my custom woodie
wagon, I could get
regular old 232 and 258 at pick a parts for $89 whole engine, but none of
them would fit
as the motor mounts were totally different for Pacer. So had to find a Pacer
to
cannibalize for drivetrain. A 258 is a 258 and 232 is 232 until it is in a
Pacer, they sat
in at odd angle, was not motor mounts, was the actual block mounting was
different. So
bought whole Pacer and pulled drivetrain for my woodie wagon

http://www.planethoustonamx.com/stuff/pacer-commercial.htm

and parted out rest years ago.

Eddie Stakes
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com

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