thanks for the various advice guys. yep i've been using needle nose where possible. Matt, when the cable is bad it's usually the plastic casing, for me anyway, the plastic cracks. and you're right about the lawn mower shop, i took a cable in and they were intrigued about fixing/replacing it, didn't get anywhere though. >>Peter Marano wrote : And those of us that were not sadistic bastards were required to take 25 credits in Calculus and differential equations to insure we would become so! ---Peter, hehe, well ok then maybe masochistic? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://list.amc-list.com/pipermail/amc-list-amc-list.com/attachments/20100707/92c8dc47/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ AMC-list mailing list AMC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com