Re: [AMC-list] cash for clunkers

[Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Well, thanks for replying to my post.
I'll stand right behind it.
There where many, many more 80's vehicles ever produced than the earlier models.
Tons of plastic in those cars too. 
Nothing against plastic, mind you except for what it does when it ages....

I can think of a very few 80's cars I would hate to see crushed, very few.
They could have pushed the bill through without that age limit.
Then what? 
Go look on the forums, some very NICE AMC's for sale for less than $4500.
Want to see them get crushed because the owners got frustrated when they did not sell?

Like it or not, the law got passed.
It could have been worse.

Gee, I can stand car shows without minivans and suvs...


Mark Price
Morgantown, WV 26508
1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac II
"I realize that death is inevitable.
I just don't want to be around when it happens!"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Strohl" <DStrohl@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2009 1:40:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] cash for clunkers

Count me among the dissenters. Among my other beefs with cash for
clunkers (crush a perfectly good, running, useable vehicle for the sake
of new car sales?), is that it threatens not the collector car hobby
now, but the collector car hobby of the future.

The people who agree with this law claim that only worthless cars that
will never become collectible will be turned in under this program, thus
it poses no threat to the collector car hobby. 

But let's look at the Model T, any Edsel, 1970s Japanese cars and, yes,
Ramblers and AMCs. They were all considered throwaway, uncollectible
cars at some point in time. In the 1940s, nobody could have predicted
that people will continue to debate how to properly restore a Model T
sedan 60 years into the future. In the 1960s, people were laughed at for
driving fuddy duddy old Ramblers. And today? Try going to an all-makes
show without seeing any one of the above cars. Heck, nobody ever thought
four-doors or station wagons would serve any purpose outside the demo
derby arenas, but plenty of people collect, preserve and restore those
cars.

Can we predict what will become collectible in the future? No, not at
all. Maybe first-generation minivans? Maybe early SUVs? Maybe the last
of the rear-drive GM G-bodies? Or, let's drive this home: How many
Eagles will this program crush?

Nor can we predict what the next generation of car collectors will want
to buy, preserve and restore when they reach the age when they can do
so. If we unwittingly crush the exact vehicles they will eventually
desire, then we risk losing an entire generation of car collectors and
car enthusiasts, which should frighten the bejesus out of anybody in the
collector car hobby who sincerely worries about attracting younger
people into the hobby.

I'm not arguing every vehicle should be saved, restored and put back on
the streets. I know that's impossible. But to artificially shorten the
natural lifespan of an automobile (new car -> used car -> clunker ->
cult favorite -> collector car) will do our automotive heritage a great
disservice.

I also know that car collectors are a vast minority when stacked against
the auto industry and the green movement, which is why I was greatly
surprised by the 1984 cutoff that SEMA managed to get inserted into the
program. But it drives me nuts when I see people in the collector car
hobby - people who should appreciate older cars - claim that this
legislation won't affect them.

Sorry for the rant.

dan





Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:50:10 +0000 (UTC)
From: Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] cash for clunkers
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yeah, this "new" clunker law has a whole pile of regs to keep people
from buying a $200 car and trading it in.
the 84 cutoff date is/was intended to keep classic vehicles from being
scrapped.
Although I'm betting there are few 80's fan that are unhappy....

Mark Price
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