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- From: Joe <jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:35:45 -0800 (PST)
Yup i remember those cool drawings in that magazine. It was a cruel joke to tyank our chains the way that mag did!! Can you imagine how awesome a 2010 AMX could be????? What about a Ambassador convertible? Remember EAGLE was the first true cross-over(4 wheel drive station wagon)!!!!! I loved the one that i had!! Joe
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> 1. Re: Super Long Intake Duration Cam ??? (Jim Blair)
> 2. pre ignition catalytic converter?? (d stohler)
> 3. Re: Weber 32/36 DGEV Issue (Jim Blair)
> 4. Ford assembly plant in brazil (jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx)
> 5. ford plant in brazil (jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx)
> 6. ford plant in brazil (jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx)
> 7. some of my toys (Jim Blair)
> 8. Re: Super Long Intake Duration Cam ??? (Tom Jennings)
> 9. Re: Ford assembly plant in brazil (Ken Ames)
> 10. Yahoo! News Story - Big 3 carmakers beg for
> $25B, warn of
> catastrophe - Yahoo! News (j gray)
> 11. solution to the "big 3" (d stohler)
> 12. Super Long Intake Duration Cam ??? (d stohler)
> 13. Re: Super Long Intake Duration Cam ??? (Tom Jennings)
> 14. Re: Super Long Intake Duration Cam ??? (David Crooks)
> 15. Re: Super Long Intake Duration Cam ??? - Miller
> Cycle engine
> (Greg Taylor)
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:38:33 -0800
> From: Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Super Long Intake Duration Cam ???
> To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>
> Sounds more like the Rhoades lifters setup to me.
>
> Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10,
> '84 Jeep J10
>
> From: Greg Taylor
> Subject: [Amc-list] Super Long Intake Duration Cam ???
> To: AMC-LIST
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> Hey guys,
> I?ve been reading through the updated/revised book on the
> Fish carburetor I am going to be using on the stroker
> build.? There was an interesting paragraph that briefly
> discussed how they had some custom camshafts ground, which
> increased the intake duration ? way through the compression
> stroke, basically making an 8:1 engine act like a 16:1.? The
> torque curve would keep climbing way up past 4,000 RPM and
> at higher RPMs the engine had almost a ram effect to it
> (self-supercharging).? On a 350 motor they did this to, the
> mileage increased from 16 to 23 MPG and the power increase
> was amazing.? The carb company (somewhat like a co-op) had
> the cams custom ground by either Crane or Comp Cams, I think
> ? but since they were more like a co-op, they stopped
> promoting it because they were getting inundated with phone
> calls asking how to set up their engines for such a cam,
> instead of being able to focus on producing the Fish
> carburetors (from 1983-1996).
> ?
> Has anyone ever heard of such a cam setup?? It sounds
> REALLY interesting and promising.? Thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
> Greg Taylor :) <><
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:00:16 -0800 (PST)
> From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Amc-list] pre ignition catalytic converter??
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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> anyone else ever hear of this? got 20 min? watch the vid.
> look at some of the #'s on the dyno screens. they dont
> look right. things dont sound quite right to me. but hey,
> what do i know, im running on an old post ignition catalytic
> converter and running on fuel in liquid form.....
>
> http://preignitioncc.com/hope/flashPiccHi.htm
>
> http://www.mitchellent-hope.biz/
>
> http://preignitioncc.com/hope/
>
> dave stohler
> my rambler pics@
> http://picasaweb.google.com/das24rules
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>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:01:39 -0800
> From: Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Weber 32/36 DGEV Issue
> To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>
> I've had trouble with those carbs when they didn't
> have the offroad needle and seat kit. Severe angles would
> throw the float level off and cause it to choke out. Also
> had cam walk on AMC 6 cyls cause trouble.
>
>
> From: Todd Tomason
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Weber 32/36 DGEV Issue
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
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> Tom,
>
> You misread my second email. 8-) It's doing the same
> thing today, with the
> regulator removed. It's a Mr. Gasket regulator, by the
> way.
>
> I've been fiddling with it all morning and getting
> nowhere. The only other
> things I had changed were to clean the air filter and
> adjust the idle
> mixture. I checked the idle mixture again, and I might
> have had it a tad
> rich, but I wouldn't expect that to cause this problem.
>
>
> The regulator may just be coincidence. Could this be a
> clutch issue?
> Everything seems normal on flat ground or moderate hills.
> No slippage or
> chatter. On a long hill (I think it's close to half a
> mile long) the problem
> shows up about two-thirds of the way up the hill. At that
> point I'm in third
> gear doing about 35. The problem occurs more often on
> steeper hills.
>
> I have a couple of oil leaks that I haven't been able
> to track down. Could
> this be oil dripping out of the rear main seal onto the
> clutch?
>
> Todd
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> Message: 4
> Date: 19 Nov 2008 05:42:19 -0000
> From: jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [Amc-list] Ford assembly plant in brazil
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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> KEN...What are you against Unions or just against the US
> manufacturing????????? Hmmmmm. HOW could we have won WWII
> without
> factories???? How the heck do you think workers get
> anything without any
> unions???? I USED to work for a JAP car factory till they
> flushed 1200+ of us
> 4 years ago. Horrible treatment of workers while working
> there. Glad i'm gone!
> Pay was pretty good..but..They are NUTS!! !!!! What is your
> problem with US
> manufactured cars/trucks??? I'll put my 2004 F-150 4x4
> up against any JAP
> CRAP truck made!!! Also own a beautiful 2008 GT Mustang!
> Now...buy a
> Dodge/GM/FORD....Leave the JAP/Korean..etc crap alone!
> Remember...MOST of the
> parts are imported here! JUSY my opinion. Thankyou,Joe.
> Several 72-73
> Gremlins,Wife's 74 AMX,67 Ambassador convertible
> FINALLY getting painted!!,66
> Classic wagon,57 Metro coupe,several parts cars(of course)!
> And some non-AMC's
> also
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: 19 Nov 2008 05:44:06 -0000
> From: jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [Amc-list] ford plant in brazil
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID:
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> AMC content....No matter WHAT....I'll always want
> another Rebel Machine like
> the one i was forced to sell in 1978 when i got
> laid-off!!!!!!!
> JoeThankyou,Joe. Several 72-73 Gremlins,Wife's 74
> AMX,67 Ambassador
> convertible FINALLY getting painted!!,66 Classic wagon,57
> Metro coupe,several
> parts cars(of course)! And some non-AMC's also
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: 19 Nov 2008 05:45:06 -0000
> From: jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [Amc-list] ford plant in brazil
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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>
> Jim...That's a good one!!!! Not wanting to offend
> anyone here!! Thankyou,Joe.
> Several 72-73 Gremlins,Wife's 74 AMX,67 Ambassador
> convertible FINALLY getting
> painted!!,66 Classic wagon,57 Metro coupe,several parts
> cars(of course)! And
> some non-AMC's also
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:52:39 -0800
> From: Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Amc-list] some of my toys
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>
> '79 DJ5-G Ice Cream truck with Audi 2.0L (same motor
> used by AMC in the Gremlin and VW also. Porsche used it in
> the 924 and 924 Turbo) with 904 auto. I was going to do a VW
> diesel swap, but my wife hates it.
> [URL=http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/past%20cars/?action=view¤t=securedownload.jpg][IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/past%20cars/th_securedownload.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
>
> '80 AMC Eagle wagon (just got it. Sat 10 years and it
> stinks inside! Going to be a winter beater)
> [URL=http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/AMC%20Eagle/?action=view¤t=1fa1221gc3mc3o23l88b369eee1a83c4f16.jpg][IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/AMC%20Eagle/th_1fa1221gc3mc3o23l88b369eee1a83c4f16.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
>
> '87 Comanche
> [URL=http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/?action=view¤t=021805view2.jpg][IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/th_021805view2.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
>
> '86 Comanche (for sale)
> [URL=http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/Comanche/?action=view¤t=Molly86Commanche4x4.jpg][IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/Comanche/th_Molly86Commanche4x4.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
>
> '73 J4000 (RIP as I rolled it last year. 304 lives on
> in the '76 J10)
> [URL=http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/Comanche/?action=view¤t=loadedJ4000.jpg][IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/Comanche/th_loadedJ4000.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
>
> '76 J10 6 1/2' shortbox (going to stepside soon)
> with J20 axles (soon to be 5th wheel hauler)
> [URL=http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/trucks/?action=view¤t=DSC02951.jpg][IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/trucks/th_DSC02951.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
>
> '83 J10 8' longbox (258/AW4/NP208 almost done.
> Needs crossbar and shifter to be drivable again)
> [URL=http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/trucks/?action=view¤t=DSC02853.jpg][IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/trucks/th_DSC02853.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
>
> '84 J10 7' "monster" truck
> [URL=http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/black%20jack/?action=view¤t=blackjack.jpg][IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/black%20jack/th_blackjack.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
>
> '81 AMC Spirit daily driver (soon to get AW4 and EFI)
> [URL=http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/past%20cars/?action=view¤t=DSC02680.jpg][IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/past%20cars/th_DSC02680.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:55:04 -0800
> From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Super Long Intake Duration Cam ???
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
> <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID: <4923AA38.3010207@xxxxxxx>
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>
> Yeah, i diddled some crazy valve timing numbers and yes,
> you can move
> the torque peak above 4000 (on paper) but guess what,
> probably wouldn't
> idle below 2500. Air has mass, and above 4000, 5000, 6000
> rpm, cylinder
> filling is non-trivial, and hypothetical HP is fantasy.
>
> > i wouldn't be surprised if one wouldn't want
> 2-dimensional control for
> > peak efficiency, both speed and throttle as inputs to
> valve timing.
> > narrow timing would be better at less than full
> throttle at any rpm.
>
> Yeah, I conjured up -- in my head, never, ever, to build --
> what it
> would take to to variable valve timing on my AMC six (V8,
> same).
> Basically if you could make hydraulic lifters with an extra
> port on the
> side, and put an orfice in the block, with a solenoid that
> unplugs that
> port, you could END lift cycles early... and so with a
> wacko cam with an
> extended peak, you could vary valve duration in a way you
> could
> retrofit. The lifters would have to tolerate collapsing,
> and their oil
> supply wouldhave to be able to pump them up ASAP. Tall
> order.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:16:51 -0700
> From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Ford assembly plant in brazil
> To: jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx, "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers
> and fans."
> <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
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>
> I'm just saying that things are pretty much the same
> whether you're in a US or
> Canadian factory.
>
> Ken
>
>
> Quoting jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx:
>
> >
> > KEN...What are you against Unions or just against the
> US
> > manufacturing????????? Hmmmmm. HOW could we have won
> WWII without
> > factories???? How the heck do you think workers get
> anything without any
> > unions???? I USED to work for a JAP car factory till
> they flushed 1200+ of
> > us
> > 4 years ago. Horrible treatment of workers while
> working there. Glad i'm
> > gone!
> > Pay was pretty good..but..They are NUTS!! !!!! What is
> your problem with US
> > manufactured cars/trucks??? I'll put my 2004 F-150
> 4x4 up against any JAP
> > CRAP truck made!!! Also own a beautiful 2008 GT
> Mustang! Now...buy a
> > Dodge/GM/FORD....Leave the JAP/Korean..etc crap alone!
> Remember...MOST of
> > the
> > parts are imported here! JUSY my opinion.
> Thankyou,Joe. Several 72-73
> > Gremlins,Wife's 74 AMX,67 Ambassador convertible
> FINALLY getting
> > painted!!,66
> > Classic wagon,57 Metro coupe,several parts cars(of
> course)! And some
> > non-AMC's
> > also
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 10
> Date: 18 Nov 2008 22:27:26 -0800
> From: j gray <jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Amc-list] Yahoo! News Story - Big 3 carmakers beg
> for $25B,
> warn of catastrophe - Yahoo! News
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx,baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID:
> <20081119063051.22296538006@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> j gray (jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx) has sent you a news article.
> (Email address has not been verified.)
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Personal message:
>
> READ this!! Buy NO Jap/ crap please!!!!! Joe
>
> Big 3 carmakers beg for $25B, warn of catastrophe - Yahoo!
> News
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081119/ap_on_bi_ge/congress_autos
>
> ============================================================
> Yahoo! News
> http://news.yahoo.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:07:01 -0800 (PST)
> From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Amc-list] solution to the "big 3"
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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>
> so, off and on over the last couple days, i have given it
> some thought. my solution to the big 3: merge all 3
> together and let revive the AMERICAN MOTORS CORPERATION
> name. ya, alot of you are saying "WTF" am i
> thinkin now? well. keep the jeep name. people want a jeep,
> they can get the wrangler as is now. they want a truck, they
> can get the "jeep gladiator j series trucks" they
> want a compact car "american" and full size, low
> buck "classic" and for the all out luxiury model
> the "ambassador" just as back in the 60's. and
> since everything now days is gone back to the late 60's
> styling, they can go back to the 63-65 classic/ambo styling
> for the big cars, and the 64-69 american styling for
> smaller. someone wanting sporty, the "amx" is the
> 2 seater, and the "javaline" for the 4 seater.
>
> i think that pretty well covers the range of cars.
>
> now, if that didnt turn some peoples crank, heres another
> one. since all the big 3 are beggin for money, i propose
> that all us amc enthusiasts should rally and go to dc and
> beg for money to revive AMC. as it was sold off and let to
> die by chrysler. bring amc back and start producing all
> these hybrids and crap that the tree huggers want. and then
> the "normal" cars for the rest of us. fuel
> efficient and go with that old skool design. and no worries
> about not having enough money to do all the designing, and
> everything for the hybrid junk and getting new cars started.
> im sure, in a short while, when the "big 3" go
> under, their designs, stateside plants and ect will be able
> to be bought cheap enough.
>
> but most of all KEEP IT AMERICAN!!!!
>
> ya, not serious, but just some wishful thinking and day
> dreaming while cleaning shop at work the last couple days.
>
> just donned on me, maybe those drawings in that april issue
> of hotrod could be true... :-D hehe
>
> dave stohler
> my rambler pics@
> http://picasaweb.google.com/das24rules
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:17:26 -0800 (PST)
> From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Amc-list] Super Long Intake Duration Cam ???
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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> <281280.13236.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> ---Yeah, I conjured up -- in my head, never, ever, to build
> -- what it
> would take to to variable valve timing on my AMC six (V8,
> same).
> Basically if you could make hydraulic lifters with an extra
> port on the
> side, and put an orfice in the block, with a solenoid that
> unplugs that
> port, you could END lift cycles early... and so with a
> wacko cam with an
> extended peak, you could vary valve duration in a way you
> could
> retrofit. The lifters would have to tolerate collapsing,
> and their oil
> supply wouldhave to be able to pump them up ASAP. Tall
> order.---
>
> hey tom, wouldnt that be like "quick bleed
> lifters?" i thought at lower rpms, they would bleed off
> the pumped up oil in them, so in effect take up some of the
> lift. at higher rpms, theres not enough time for them to
> bleed off, so in the same effect, its like them having
> higher lift. maybe im WAY off on understanding just what
> they do exactly.
>
> as for the solenoid controling the lifters, you would need
> one for each lifter. i dont understand how it would work
> with one solenoid at the end of the orfice controlling all
> the lifters when you got 12 (I6) or 16 (v8). the dodges i
> think it is use them in their variable displacement system
> or what ever they call it. that thing that shuts off some
> cylinders when not needed.
>
> cool thought tho. how exactly does that variable valve
> timing work in them dam ricer hondas. them punks talk all
> about them and think they are just all that. vtec or what
> ever they call them. pulled one for one guy, he didnt get
> the motor back in time, so i sold it. wasnt happy, but never
> contacted me about it, so 3 months later, i wanted it gone,
> so it was gone.
>
>
>
> dave stohler
> my rambler pics@
> http://picasaweb.google.com/das24rules
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:38:13 -0800
> From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Super Long Intake Duration Cam ???
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
> <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID: <4923C265.7040207@xxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> d stohler wrote:
>
> > hey tom, wouldnt that be like "quick bleed
> lifters?"
>
> > as for the solenoid controling the lifters, you would
> need one for
> > each lifter.
>
> Yup, and software. Probably not enough gain to be worth all
> the hassle.
>
>
> > cool thought tho. how exactly does that variable valve
> timing work in
> > them dam ricer hondas. them punks talk all about them
> and think they
> > are just all that. vtec or what ever they call them.
>
> Pick the best low-end cam. Then pick the best high-end cam.
> YOu get
> both, and all possible cams in between those two. Combine
> with near
> 100% combustion efficiency, and attention to quality such
> that you can
> buy 15 year old, 150K mile cars and run them another 100K
> miles before
> big repairs are needed.
>
> I dont prefer japanese cars, but the technology is pretty
> great.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:50:34 -0500
> From: David Crooks <david.crooks@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Super Long Intake Duration Cam ???
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> " From: David Crooks <david.crooks@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> " The relationships between cam timing, duration, and
> rpm are reasonably
> " well understood, and the cold fact is that there is
> no one grind
> " that's best for both low rpm and high rpm
> operation. That's the whole
> " reason that modern high performance motors are using
> variable timing
> " on the intake and exhaust cams. Reduce the
> compromise, for the best
> " of both ranges...
> From Andrew Hay
> i wouldn't be surprised if one wouldn't want
> 2-dimensional control for
> peak efficiency, both speed and throttle as inputs to valve
> timing.
> narrow timing would be better at less than full throttle at
> any rpm.
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> Actually you are 100% correct, and it is done that way. In
> the
> case of the high end BMW's, there's no butterfly
> valve in the
> air intake any longer. All throttle control is done by
> adjusting
> the cam timing and lift, electronically. Do a little
> surfing, and
> you'll see that totally camless engines are being
> developed,
> to allow total and complete flexibility.
>
> Cheers, Dave
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> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:22:22 -0800 (PST)
> From: Greg Taylor <amundaza@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Super Long Intake Duration Cam ???
> - Miller
> Cycle engine
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> Hey guys,
> I went back and re-read the paragraphs on this.? 16:1
> pistons are installed and the cam makes the compression
> cycle on the intake act like 8:1.? The expansion of burning
> gases acts like 16:1.? I received feedback on it over on
> www.theAMCForum.com and it?s call a Miller Cycle engine.?
> Super/turbocharging works best with it, to over come the
> lower RPM issues.? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_cycle
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> Sincerely,
> Greg Taylor :) <><
> Rochester Hills, MI
> 1989 Jeep Grand Wagoneer "TRMN8R2"
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