Re: [Amc-list] T-96 woes...

[Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx]

Bummer about the trans.
I kind of wonder if the light oil experiment did not cause this?
There is mention on several different fronts about not using too light a lube in the non world class T5s as the ride on the main shaft and failure will occur. The NWC trans specs gear lube.
   I've run 20W-50 mobile one and or Redline MTF in mine for years with no failure, so I don't know that is what caused your T-96 failure.

Please don't tell WV about how Ca handles it's budget transitions!
We keep getting out checks :]

We just got a salary schedule funded that was supposed to be funded in 2001 though!
I will receive an almost  $2 an hour raise on October 1st, yeah!



--
Mark Price
Morgantown, WV
1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac II
" I realize that death is inevitable.
I just don't want to be around when it happens! "

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
> Yow, woes, more like woah!
> 
>  From "get out the jack" to transmission on the table, 60 minutes. Man 
> it's an easy car to work on!
> 
> Got the cover off, the synchros were just fine. I measured the end play 
> I should have earlier, and it was .074", right in the middle of the spec.
> 
> Then I noticed the small teeth on 3rd gear were... blue? Pulled the nose 
>   thing (throwout bearing tube) off, the snap ring on the input shaft 
> was out of it's groove. Oops. I know I installed it, because I have a 
> photograph.
> 
> Story short -- the input shaft ran inward, the cone for the friction 
> ring pressed and spin against the mainshaft, peening the end, making a 
> lot of heat, and the 13 rollers all became D-shaped and ground the input 
> and mainshafts into ruins.
> 
> Never made a sound, just started shifting funny.
> 
> I rechecked the fit of the snapring, it wasn't that good, it was 
> slightly sprung. I used a real snapring tool, didn't over-stretch it, 
> but clearly I missed that it was worn. The groove is wider than the snap 
> ring too, but clean and square. Its the snapring that came off. I don't 
> really think the groove width is the problem, since it all sits flat and 
> the bearing and fit was all fine. I didn't drop the trans on it's nose 
> or anything. I looked for signs that the trans was jammed against the 
> end of the crankshaft (nose of input shaft not shiny, hole in end of 
> crank has drill/machine marks and consistently dull colored, etc).
> 
> All of these parts (engine, bell, flywheel, trans, shaft, etc) all came 
> out of the car so nothing like overall length changed etc.
> 
> All other parts are completely fine. No trash in the box, and the oil 
> was OK. The bad junk stayed in place.
> 
> 
> GDMF PITA! I have another T-96 to swipe parts from but I wonder if I 
> should not just stick the T-14 in there and find another axle. With 
> another year of school coming up I'm not ready to embark on the Pony 
> adapter and T5 business, never mind the cost. I'd consider it I suppose 
> if I could use the 1 x 10 spline clutch, eg. it will just stick in the 
> existing hole.
> 
> And as I'm a CA state employee, I am being paid minimum wage until the 
> miserable SOBs in the legislature settle on a budget. (Not in CA you 
> probably miss that teapotted tempest.)
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