Re: [Amc-list] Water Powered Engine

[Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx]

Thank you for posting Tom.
Your reply is much better then I could do.
But in the interest of not seeing other people get drawn into this I'll chime in.

You simply cannot make hydrogen economically.
it does not work.
Even if you buy solar cells and use them to create the hydrogen.
You loose.
It is more advantageous to use the electricity than the Hydrrogen.
 You are wasting the electricity you gathered with the solar by converting it to hydrogen.

Build an electric car! 

There are som many of these schemes out there they make one sick.
Read, do a google search.
Hydrogen= waste
Airpowered cars= bigger waste

You are not saving energy or being "green" when the product you choose uses more energy than the gas it saves...

--
Mark Price
Morgantown, WV
1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II
" Chronic Pain Hurts"

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From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
> Electrolysis works. THe catch is there is total energy LOST -- with a 
> 100% perfect system (which is impossible) you will get out less energy 
> than you put IN. You might as well just use the energy you had, in the 
> FIRST PLACE.
> 
> Hydrogen is not a fuel.
> 
> Sticks, laying on the ground, is "fuel". Fuel, as we use it today, means 
> 'energy I did not pay for', literally. Oil was made by the planet over 
> zillions of years, then we took it out in 100, 200, whatever. We found 
> it laying on the ground!
> 
> Hydrogen is one of many energy storage and transport systems; you don't 
> "get" hydrogen, it's insanely well-bonded to other molecules, like 
> oxygen, from which it doesn't like to leave, you have to force it. That 
> H-O bond is well known, well defined, and there's no short-cut to 
> breaking it.
> 
> To get X units of energy from splitting water you need X times M units 
> of energy to split it. M is your "efficiency".
> 
> Hydrogen as a fuel would work great if you could plug the electrolyzer 
> into your neighbors outlet! :-)
> 
> Hydrogen isn't even a GOOD energy storage mechanism! The only reason 
> it's talked about for widespread use is because it would be arguably 
> feasable for existing oil companies to do. Seriously -- there's no other 
> reason. Internal combustion without petroleum has no future.
> 
> 
> Solar/wind/nuclear electric beats it all 100 times over, yet that would 
> upset the oil industries (solar/wind) and the rest of us politically 
> (nuclear).
> 
> Don't overlook that the spectacularly performing semiconductor industry 
> (transistors... ICs... computers in phones...) have brought solar cell 
> tech to nearly 30% efficiency routinely -- it goes up about 2% a year 
> now -- they're way past the point of  cost-effectiveness for mass 
> deployment. There's no will for it though.
> 
> 
> 
> Dave McCombs wrote:
> > I wouldn't mind taking a look at it. It'll give me something to play with
> > for a physics project next semester.
> > 
> > Dave M.
> > 
> > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Joe Smith <know_ware@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > 
> >> I just bought an e-book on Water Powered Engines.  I will send it for free
> >> to anyone interested. (isn't Tom our resident mad scientist?)  I am looking
> >> for someone who has the time to actually try it, I don't have a garage, but
> >> may try it in my kitchen after I have read the book.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Joe
> >>
> >>
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