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- From: George Markos <ellasmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:55:44 -0800 (PST)
Hot Rod Post>
I thought it was a great article because it brought excitement for just a moment.
Those who hated the article, your entitled to your opinion but a reality check was needed after reading the first page. Chrysler may also have an opinion on it.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Seat Tracks for front buckets 71-74 (Thomas, Jeff)
2. Re: The Return of AMC (stover@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
3. Re: 195.6 OHV Progress Sorta (Frank Swygert)
4. Re: We have brakes!!!! (Frank Swygert)
5. Re: 195.6 OHV Progress Sorta (Frank Swygert)
6. Re: We have brakes!!!! (Frank Swygert)
7. Re: April Fools- Hotrod Article (Jock J JocewJ Jocewicz)
8. Re: April Fools- Hotrod Article- Jock (stover@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:26:18 -0500
From: "Thomas, Jeff"
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Seat Tracks for front buckets 71-74
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AMC team,
I just went through the seat track re-build on both my 71 Jav AMXs. Each
of the cars had the tracks with the 4 swedged studs welded to the track.
In the 71-74 seats, you have to be careful that the stud doesn't spin
around when you are trying to tighten it or worse, that the stud threads
have been damaged or shortened. Be careful that you put the little wires
back as they help pull the seats back and forth when you are adjusting
the position.
I thought the cap screw set-up was 69 and older.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: seats (Redux) (piper_pa20)
2. 69 AMX interior parts??? (glhershey)
3. 195.6 OHV Progress Sorta (JOE FULTON)
4. We have brakes!!!! (Bruce Griffis)
5. Re: 195.6 OHV Progress Sorta (Matt Haas)
6. Re: We have brakes!!!! (Matt Haas)
7. Re: 195.6 OHV Progress Sorta (JOE FULTON)
8. Just a test (mhaas)
9. Somebody is selling VW buses? (RetroRalph)
10. Re: Somebody is selling VW buses? (Glen Hoag)
11. Re: 195.6 OHV Progress Sorta (Tom Jennings)
12. Re: 195.6 OHV Progress Sorta (JOE FULTON)
13. Re: 290 or 304 with 4.0L pistons (Russ) (Greg Taylor)
14. Re: 69 AMX interior parts??? (setter1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
15. Fwd: 1974 Bricklin SV1 amc 360 V8 RARE 1 of 2800 made
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:02:35 -0800
From: "piper_pa20"
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] seats (Redux)
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
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I looked at a set of 69 Javelin seats today and a set of 70 Javelin
seats I have. The methods of fastening to the floor appear to be
identical. Cap screws in front bolt holes and studs on the rear
flanges.
That may have changed later. I do seem to remember that my 73 Javelin
had studs at all floorboard holes but I could be wrong.
Joe Fulton
----- Original Message -----
From: "JOE FULTON"
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] seats
> I'm almost positive the seat frame dimensions and hole
> locations will match perfectly. One set of seats
> (1970 I think) should have studs that go through the
> floor and the older seats may have cap screws with
> welded nuts on the bottom of the floor boards. That
> may interfere with the stud arrangement but you can
> deal with that if it occurs. I'm just not sure when
> AMC changed over to the stud arrangement on the seat
> frames.
>
> Joe Fulton
> --- Keith Evenson wrote:
>
>> Can anyone tell me if high back bucket seats from a
>> 70 AMX will mount
>> in a 68 AMX that now has the original low bucket
>> seats in it?
>> I would imagine they will but I would like to know
>> they will before I
>> buy the new ones and then find out they don't.
>> Thanks Keith
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:15:41 -0500
From: "glhershey"
Subject: [Amc-list] 69 AMX interior parts???
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I'm looking for two things listed below. If you have suggestions please
let me know...thanks.
1. Wood grained steering wheel for 69 AMX
2. Wood grained center dash piece (has AC) for 69 AMX.
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:26:49 -0800 (PST)
From: JOE FULTON
Subject: [Amc-list] 195.6 OHV Progress Sorta
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It's not a perfect world or at least a cheap one.
I finally started measuring clearances on the used
.060 oversize engine block today and found that, even
with a new .060 oversize piston in #1 cylinder the
piston skirt to bore clearance was excessive. The
manual says .0006 to .0017 is acceptable. I was
measuring at least .004 Two other cylinders were
comparable so I consulted with the machinist and he
said bring him another block. I had asked him to try
to save this block by just honing it and that's what
they did. I have a great set of .060 oversize pistons
I want to reuse, hence the request to try to save the
block.
No joy. I have another .040 oversize block which I
will take to the machine shop on Monday. It pays to
have spare parts lying around. More expense, but at
least I know the engine will be closer to being
correct.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:47:33 -0600
From: Bruce Griffis
Subject: [Amc-list] We have brakes!!!!
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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My oldest son and I replaced the master cylinder and bled the brakes
today. We now have brakes!!! The car actually stops and everything! We
have some work to do to make it go, but now we know it will stop. Cool.
Hope to do the coolant and replace the radiator hoses tomorrow. Maybe
change the oil, change the fuel filter and the fan belt. The car should
be in decent shape when we get the gas tank back from Marietta Radiator.
I'm hoping to try starting it by the end of the week.
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:43:24 -0500
From: Matt Haas
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 195.6 OHV Progress Sorta
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
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Joe,
Can't the 196's take stupid big over bores? I though you could get up to
.125" over sized pistons for them.
Matt
JOE FULTON wrote:
> It's not a perfect world or at least a cheap one.
>
> I finally started measuring clearances on the used
> .060 oversize engine block today and found that, even
> with a new .060 oversize piston in #1 cylinder the
> piston skirt to bore clearance was excessive. The
> manual says .0006 to .0017 is acceptable. I was
> measuring at least .004 Two other cylinders were
> comparable so I consulted with the machinist and he
> said bring him another block. I had asked him to try
> to save this block by just honing it and that's what
> they did. I have a great set of .060 oversize pistons
> I want to reuse, hence the request to try to save the
> block.
>
> No joy. I have another .040 oversize block which I
> will take to the machine shop on Monday. It pays to
> have spare parts lying around. More expense, but at
> least I know the engine will be closer to being
> correct.
>
> Joe Fulton
> Salinas, CA
--
mhaas@xxxxxxx
Cincinnati, OH
http://www.mattsoldcars.com
1967 Rambler American wagon
1968 Rambler American sedan
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:03:33 -0500
From: Matt Haas
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] We have brakes!!!!
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
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Good news on the brakes. Make sure to change the oil and filter before
starting the motor and it wouldn't hurt to change it again after a
little bit of running.
It would be a good idea to prime the oiling system before you start it.
You can do that by yanking the distributor, cutting the handle off of a
big flat head screw driver, chucking that in a drill, and using a drill
to drive the oil pump. Once you see oil at the rocker shaft (you should
be able to see it through the oil fill cap), you're done.
After you drain the coolant, it would be a good idea to just fill it
with distilled water for the initial start up. That way, if you end up
having problems that require the cooling to be drained, you're just
draining water. You will also need to open the water heater valve to get
all of the air out of the system but I recommend opening it at the valve
instead of trying the control. The reason is that it the valve is
frozen, you'll bend the control cable. A lawn mower shop can replace the
cable core if that happens.
Hopefully, you'll find no leaks or other problems that would make you
need to change the coolant. If that's the case, I'd flush it out really
well before refilling with coolant.
One other cooling system tip: Stay away from Triden brand hose clamps.
They used to be good but turned crappy about 10 years ago (that's when
they started making them overseas). You can still get good stainless
steel clamps made in either the US or Canada. When I buy them, I go to
one of the two regional chains near my house (these are the places the
repair shops go to for parts) and I can get the good ones for the same
price or less than the crappy ones.
Matt
Bruce Griffis wrote:
> My oldest son and I replaced the master cylinder and bled the brakes
today. We now have brakes!!! The car actually stops and everything! We
have some work to do to make it go, but now we know it will stop. Cool.
>
> Hope to do the coolant and replace the radiator hoses tomorrow. Maybe
change the oil, change the fuel filter and the fan belt. The car should
be in decent shape when we get the gas tank back from Marietta Radiator.
I'm hoping to try starting it by the end of the week.
>
>
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http://www.mattsoldcars.com
1967 Rambler American wagon
1968 Rambler American sedan
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:47:13 -0800 (PST)
From: JOE FULTON
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 195.6 OHV Progress Sorta
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
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Matt,
I have a good set of .060 oversize pistons (five are
low mileage and one is brand new) so I thought I would
get another block bored from .040 to .060 oversize to
keep the cost down. Thankfully, I have two more of
these engines so I have that option. I don't want to
have to buy new pistons. This was supposed to be a
cheap rebuild. (fat chance).
Joe Fulton
--- Matt Haas wrote:
> Joe,
>
> Can't the 196's take stupid big over bores? I though
> you could get up to
> .125" over sized pistons for them.
>
> Matt
>
> JOE FULTON wrote:
> > It's not a perfect world or at least a cheap one.
> >
> > I finally started measuring clearances on the used
> > .060 oversize engine block today and found that,
> even
> > with a new .060 oversize piston in #1 cylinder the
> > piston skirt to bore clearance was excessive. The
> > manual says .0006 to .0017 is acceptable. I was
> > measuring at least .004 Two other cylinders were
> > comparable so I consulted with the machinist and
> he
> > said bring him another block. I had asked him to
> try
> > to save this block by just honing it and that's
> what
> > they did. I have a great set of .060 oversize
> pistons
> > I want to reuse, hence the request to try to save
> the
> > block.
> >
> > No joy. I have another .040 oversize block which
> I
> > will take to the machine shop on Monday. It pays
> to
> > have spare parts lying around. More expense, but
> at
> > least I know the engine will be closer to being
> > correct.
> >
> > Joe Fulton
> > Salinas, CA
>
> --
> mhaas@xxxxxxx
> Cincinnati, OH
> http://www.mattsoldcars.com
> 1967 Rambler American wagon
> 1968 Rambler American sedan
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:00:15 -0600
From: mhaas
Subject: [Amc-list] Just a test
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I'm just doing a test to see if I've fixed the double post issue on the
AMCyclopedia.
Matt
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:30:00 -0800
From: "RetroRalph"
Subject: [Amc-list] Somebody is selling VW buses?
To: "AMC-List"
Message-ID: <000f01c87115$615966c0$6400a8c0@ralphs1>
Some guy is hitting me with emails trying to sell VW buses,,,
The way this appears I 'll bet that he is probably hitting other list
members with his sales offers, as well.
____________________________________________________________________
Emails are from "morris pakins" Subject line: volkswagen buses for
sale
Text: My name is Mr moris pakins,i am a german based in usa
,colorado..i have a lot of buses to show you to know if you ll be
intrested in buying any of our product......cos i had a lot to show
you,if you do like ,please reply my mail as soon as you can...
_____________________________________________________________________
I'm just wondering if everyone on the AMC-list is hearing from this guy,
huh?
______________________________________________________________
Ralph Ausmann - Hillsboro, OR - >
http://mysite.verizon.net/res79g4m/
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:38:02 -0600
From: Glen Hoag
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Somebody is selling VW buses?
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
Message-ID: <200802170439.m1H4d8Ar1450966@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I got a couple of emails from him earlier today. They went straight
to the trash.
--Glen
At 09:30 PM 2/16/2008, RetroRalph wrote:
>Some guy is hitting me with emails trying to sell VW buses,,,
>
>The way this appears I 'll bet that he is probably hitting other list
>members with his sales offers, as well.
>____________________________________________________________________
>
>Emails are from "morris pakins" Subject line: volkswagen buses for
>sale
>
>Text: My name is Mr moris pakins,i am a german based in usa
>,colorado..i have a lot of buses to show you to know if you ll be
>intrested in buying any of our product......cos i had a lot to show
>you,if you do like ,please reply my mail as soon as you can...
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>I'm just wondering if everyone on the AMC-list is hearing from this
guy,
>huh?
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:48:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 195.6 OHV Progress Sorta
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
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On Sat, 16 Feb 2008, JOE FULTON wrote:
> It's not a perfect world or at least a cheap one.
> with a new .060 oversize piston in #1 cylinder the
> piston skirt to bore clearance was excessive. The
> manual says .0006 to .0017 is acceptable. I was
> measuring at least .004 Two other cylinders were
So what does sleeving cost? Are stock-bore pistons easier to
find and is there any cost offset because of that?
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:53:27 -0800 (PST)
From: JOE FULTON
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 195.6 OHV Progress Sorta
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
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Well, I want to keep the cost down somewhat and I just
assumed that getting another block tanked and bored
would be the cheapest alternative. I'll save this
block for awhile. If anyone needs a block and can
find oversize pistons bigger than .060 over, they can
have the block.
Regards,
Joe
--- Tom Jennings wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Feb 2008, JOE FULTON wrote:
>
> > It's not a perfect world or at least a cheap one.
>
>
> > with a new .060 oversize piston in #1 cylinder the
> > piston skirt to bore clearance was excessive. The
> > manual says .0006 to .0017 is acceptable. I was
> > measuring at least .004 Two other cylinders were
>
> So what does sleeving cost? Are stock-bore pistons
> easier to
> find and is there any cost offset because of that?
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 04:42:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Greg Taylor
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 290 or 304 with 4.0L pistons (Russ)
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
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