Re: [Amc-list] LPG conversion - con't

[adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)]

" From: Brien Tourville <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" 
" 
" 
" Ethanol E85 doesn't have the supplies needed to meet
" 15% of current USA consumption - if it did - you wouldn't
" have anything to eat - all usable food stock would go
" toward making fuel.

you can bet adm is laughing all the way to the bank.  we're straining
the corn market just supplying 10% ethanol as octane improver
replacement for mtbe - the dangers of which btw were probably
overblown by the big ag players*.

" Monsanto is trying to create 
" 'things' that can be made into Ethanol - but so far nothing.

nothing on the market.  many things in research, from them and others.
sooner or later...

i like the potential of butanol - www.butanol.com.  major work remains
to be done to yield usable concentration, but the bugs already eat
cellulose instead of just starch as yeast fermentation does, and as
they demonstrated, cars don't have to be modified to switch from
gasoline to 100% butanol.  okay, i'm a little biased - the car they
used is a dead ringer for the one my gf was driving when i met her...

again: cars - at least all modern injected ones - can be fueled with
butanol just as they are.  this is a potential biofuel for the vast
majority of vehicles on the road right now.  okay, it doesn't help our
cars directly, but if it reduces the demand for gasoline...

" Sugar Cane is powering Brazil to the tune of 50% of their fuel,
" but Congress has a 'Tax' on Sugar to 'protect' the Ethanol investors
" here stateside.  South American Ethanol will not be imported because
" of the Hugo Chavez Presidency vs the George Bush Presidency - so
" nix on importing stocks for our Ethanol plants.

cane ethanol was largely a mistake on brazil's part.  they were
essentially trying to fuel their nation on 'shine, not economical as
they found out, but it's too big an industry now to just drop.  that
they're now energy independent owes more to opening up of offshore oil
drilling.

now if they were to plant oil palms large scale and go into
biodiesel...  i'm surprised they haven't already.

" It's LPG or Natural Gas or break your bank for gasoline on the
" near horizon.

one possible problem here - large scale conversion to lpg could drive
the price up.  another point - is road tax collected on it?  that
amounts to a hefty slice of that $3/gal we pay for gas.
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* 1. mtbe -does- break down in the soil - over weeks to months.
  2. mtbe has a plasticky taste detectable at a small fraction of the
     permissible safe concentration.  you cannot drink it without
     knowing something's up.
  3. mtbe does not carry gasoline minor components like benzene and
     toluene with it as it leaches through soil.  ethanol does, and
     these components are tasteless and carcinogenic.
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