AMC-List Digest, Vol 12, Issue 28
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Today's Topics:
1. Jeffrey A Bohler is out of the office.
(Jeffrey.Bohler@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
2. Re: new car, new ideas + dash stuff (Mark Price)
3. OT: Wheel center cap? (Mark Price)
4. BarrettJackson S/C (Richard Estermyer)
5. Re: new car, new ideas (Jim Blair)
6. Re: new car, new ideas (msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx)
7. Re: Fwd: eBay Favorite Search: Nearby AMC - 200 (Sandwich Maker)
8. Re: new car, new ideas (Sandwich Maker)
9. 258 6cyl swap into 63american convertible (M Walter)
10. Re: Fwd: eBay Favorite Search: Nearby AMC - 200
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
11. Re: 258 6cyl swap into 63american convertible (Sandwich Maker)
12. 66 classic wagon (russ hathaway)
13. Re: 66 classic wagon (Matt Haas)
14. 20 cent listings on feebay 01.18.07 (Eddie Stakes)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:05:45 -0600
From: Jeffrey.Bohler@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Jeffrey A Bohler is out of the office.
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I will be out of the office starting 01/15/2007 and will not return until
01/18/2007.
I will respond to your message when I return. You may contact Tom Stratman
or Lisa Kuntz for immediate assistamce at 0-4181.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 6:30:06 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] new car, new ideas + dash stuff
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Yeah, we straightened him out on it!
You know I always wanted to do the opposite and defourwheel drive an SX4 since it is already flaired and such!
Right now, I have to get my shoulder taken care of and healed up. Did the Arthrogram and MRI on it yesterday. Don't let anyone tell you an Arthrogram only hurts a little! A Large needle run into the joint cavity of of your shoulder just plain hurts a lot! 3 weeks to go till I see my Orthopedic doc to see if he can fix it!
I started on my gauges install in the American! I wanted to do a full custom install.
I bought six Autometer Sport Comp gauges and a Billet specialties gauge panel. My plan was to do a steel rework and fit the billet panel in place of the plastic 69 cluster surround. Once I got into it I see it would be doable if I took the dash out and was healthy. Right now, that is not something I'm able to do. So I've regrouped.
I'm now mounting the Billet specialties gauge panel into the plastic 69 surround.
It is not for the weak at heart as it totals the plastic surround! But, it leaves the steel dash unscathed!
I have to work overtime tonight and tomorrow night. I'm hoping to take some pics to document progress before going any farther. One of the things I had done to the cluster before was I use Fleckstone to paint the cluster plasti a gray texture that was a nice match for the tweed on the seats and door panels. Once I get it reworked I plan on repainting it in the fleckstone and adding the 440 dash treatment across the glovebox and radio surround done in the same fleckstone.
The good thing about all this is no good dash pieces have been harmed in the process! All my 440 trim pieces have the nipples broken off and the dash surround I started with had a bunch of cigarette lighter circles burn't in it!
I hope to have the thing done before the weather brakes and document the whole process, much the same way CarCraft did. What I'm doing is a very simple operation that others can copy easily. It requires sacrificing a gauge surround but no real steel dash surgery at all! the end result is a full set of six gauges! You could even make a cluster pin adapter to avoid harming the factory harness if you are so inclined! Making it possible to return to stock!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> A: I think you misread or I misprinted. My plan is to make the D20 work on
> the driver's side (LH) and keep the axle in OEM Eagle positioning. Exhaust
> piping is easy since the diff and driveshaft don't move. I may get something
> else up my sleeve though. I've been offered a Jeep NP219 and if my eyeballed
> calculations are correct, I may be able to get away with it and not mangle
> the floor.
>
>
> Jim, you can't just flip the Eagle front axle to the right side,
> you
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 6:46:46 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] OT: Wheel center cap?
To: Strokers <strokers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "AMC-DelMarVA: yahoogroups.com" <AMC-DelMarVA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Anyone have a center cap for a Jeep Canyon wheel? Or have the correct part number for one with the dark colored "JEEP" Letters?
My local Dealer sucks and I can't see any nice ones on Ebay that don't appear to be over priced!
I lost one after Wally world mounted my tires! Long story on that!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:14:24 -0500
From: "Richard Estermyer" <javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] BarrettJackson S/C
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Hey Gang,
Getting in from work last night and channel surfing came across Barrett
Jackson auction of the 69 S/C Rambler scheme B paint that went for $45,000.
Super nice w/3 AMO badges on the grill.
Was this an actual new/current auction or something rerun from the past.
Any idea of who the AMO member was that owned the car. IF this is a repeat
question, apologies, but thanks for the info, in advance.
Richard
Richard Estermyer
PhotoGraphics
6235 S. Mohawk Avenue
Ypsilanti, MI 48197
734.483.5138
734.417.9456 cell
javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:09:22 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] new car, new ideas
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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A: I thought the Dana 300 took more space? Ford ran the D20 on the driver's
side. I was just trying to find out about clearances. (I tend to do stuff
others might not think about. I have a Jeep NP208 as a backup but it's still
pretty big)
From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] new car, new ideas
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I think I would have opted for an AMC 727 with a flipped/clocked
Dana 300.
-Spro
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:26:01 +0000
From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] new car, new ideas
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Actually, the Jeep 208 is pretty short as cases go, but I understand that your concern is the up/down and cross/car packaging. It has a heavier chain than a 231, shorter, has a good low-range, and a fixed rear yoke (which wheelers prefer for double-cardan rear driveshafts). If I already had one of those, I'd investigate using that first, as its a good case.
Its the bolt pattern compatibility that was primarily driving my comments. Waggy 727's (or CJ 9xx's) are plentiful, have the right engine pattern, and carry the round NP pattern on the rear, which gives you a wide variety of cases to choose from (even a 242) with easier clocking options.
The assumption I am making is that the Ford D20 doesn't have a round pattern. What's it look like on the tranny side?
-Spro
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> A: I thought the Dana 300 took more space? Ford ran the D20 on the driver's
> side. I was just trying to find out about clearances. (I tend to do stuff
> others might not think about. I have a Jeep NP208 as a backup but it's still
> pretty big)
>
>
> From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] new car, new ideas
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID:
>
> <011620071553.4257.45ACF5100001E578000010A12216549976019D0A0790019D9F9C03@comcas
> t.net>
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> I think I would have opted for an AMC 727 with a flipped/clocked
> Dana 300.
>
>
> -Spro
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:31:52 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Fwd: eBay Favorite Search: Nearby AMC - 200
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200701171631.l0HGVqE05550@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Archimedes <Freedom@xxxxxxxx>
"
"
" Forget AMX's -- here's a *real* rare AMC:
not -that- rare, except maybe -badged- as an amc - or available
surplus. reo, studebaker, kaiser, and amgeneral made the m35/m44
and variants from the '50s up to the '80s at least. there must be
millions of them out there somewhere.
this one looks like it might be a radio/electronics or machine shop
truck.
" >Item title: AMC 1970 Army Truck 2 1/2 AMC multifuel
" >Item
" >URL:
" >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320072365390
" >Current bid: $400.00(1 Bid)
" >End time: Jan-20-07 20:18 PST
interesting he claims it has 8 cylinders. i can only count 6
injectors...
afaik they all had inline sixes.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:34:40 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] new car, new ideas
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200701171634.l0HGYei05580@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
"
"
"
" The assumption I am making is that the Ford D20 doesn't have a round
" pattern. What's it look like on the tranny side?
afaik all d18 and d20 - and ihc d300 - have the 'texas' bolt pattern.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:18:19 -0500
From: "M Walter" <redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 258 6cyl swap into 63american convertible
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hello AMC people! Here I am again asking advise on yet another idea on a
powertrain swap for my beloved little red 'vert. The thought of cutting up
the engine bay on this car to put in a 290 really makes me cringe.
Especially after seeing a couple examples on ebay. So my thoghts are now
leaning toward a 258 or a 232, because it has to be an AMC. I have so far
kept the car period correct, but not totally origional. The car is just to
nice to be sporting the 196 ohv. There is no aftermarket for it and not
much potential. I already have a T14 to hook it up to. Also is there any
difference in bell pattern up to '85or '86? THANK YOU once again,
M.Walter redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx
_________________________________________________________________
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:19:29 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Fwd: eBay Favorite Search: Nearby AMC - 200
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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AMC created AM General as a separate division in 1970 or 71 shortly
after they bought Jeep. AM General was a merger of AMC's and Jeep's
previous Government Products Divisions (GPD was the AMC division, not
sure what Kaiser-Jeep called theirs). I do know that a lot of the early
AM General products have American Motors on the data plates instead of
AM General.
I've seen quite a few of them in my career, and always look for the
plates. I know we had some at Warner-Robins AFB that were made in the
mid 70s and had American Motors on them instead of AM General. The
delivery date is on the data plate. I don't know when the plate
nomenclature changed.
I can also say with authority that they are all six cylinder multi-fuel
engines. You can't just put whatever fuel in though. There are a couple
manual adjustments that have to be made to switch from one fuel type to
another, or a mixture. I've never had to adjust one, but have discussed
it with military vehicle mechanics. They really don't like them being
run on gasoline as it's hard on the engines. Little or no lubrication
with gasoline, and the engines are primarily designed for some grade of
diesel/kerosene/jet fuel. Any of those run great! I seem to recall that
we ran jet fuel (JP-4 or JP-8) whenever practical. Might be wrong on
that, has been a while since I've been tasked as a driver! RHIP -- rank
has its privileges...
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:32:45 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 258 6cyl swap into 63american convertible
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200701172032.l0HKWj408676@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "M Walter" <redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" Hello AMC people! Here I am again asking advise on yet another idea on a
" powertrain swap for my beloved little red 'vert. The thought of cutting up
" the engine bay on this car to put in a 290 really makes me cringe.
" Especially after seeing a couple examples on ebay. So my thoghts are now
" leaning toward a 258 or a 232, because it has to be an AMC. I have so far
" kept the car period correct, but not totally origional. The car is just to
" nice to be sporting the 196 ohv. There is no aftermarket for it and not
" much potential. I already have a T14 to hook it up to. Also is there any
" difference in bell pattern up to '85or '86? THANK YOU once again,
there is a major shift in bell pattern '71-2. '64-'71 199/232/258 have
the same small pattern as the 196; '72-up 232/258/4.0 have the larger
290-later v8 pattern.
the later six is quite a lot longer than your 196; it could take just
as much cutting though of a different sort to fit as a v8 would take.
a non-amc possibility would be a ford 200. iirc they used the t96 up
to '65 or so, so with the right bellhousing it'd bolt up to your t14.
[phase 2: there are also sr4/t4/t5 pattern bells for the 170/200]
there are a number of speed parts for it but imho the best is the
australian/argentinian 12-port head and 2bbl intake. someone's
bringing them into this country...
late 200s, like the 250, have the ford small-v8 pattern. there is no
t96-pattern bells for these.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:03:31 -0800 (PST)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 66 classic wagon
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <92144.124.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I seem to remember someone needing tail gate stuff for
a 65/6 classic wagon. Let me know if anyone needs
anything. I will be dragging home a 66 550 SW with a
287/at/PS and PB. It was kinda hard to get info from
the guy, the car is a ways away. But if he accepts my
offer (he wanted $1500 for a non runner/missing the
intake, I offered $300) I will drag her home. I'm
after either a 66 Classic Hdtp or a 64 Ambo 4dr that I
have found, so I need an engine.
What equipment might the wagon have had that I can
expect. I already know about the 20 rear and big front
brakes (discs maybe :-), and power to boot). Would the
front springs be heftier, being as it is a
wagon.....Russ
____________________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:47:23 -0500
From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 66 classic wagon
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Russ,
If it still has the plastic rear side covers (covers wheel house and
open space between load floor and window), those would be worth some
money to someone with a similar year wagon. Actually, anything behind
the rear doors on a wagon falls into the hard to find category.
Matt
russ hathaway wrote:
> I seem to remember someone needing tail gate stuff for
> a 65/6 classic wagon. Let me know if anyone needs
> anything. I will be dragging home a 66 550 SW with a
> 287/at/PS and PB. It was kinda hard to get info from
> the guy, the car is a ways away. But if he accepts my
> offer (he wanted $1500 for a non runner/missing the
> intake, I offered $300) I will drag her home. I'm
> after either a 66 Classic Hdtp or a 64 Ambo 4dr that I
> have found, so I need an engine.
> What equipment might the wagon have had that I can
> expect. I already know about the 20 rear and big front
> brakes (discs maybe :-), and power to boot). Would the
> front springs be heftier, being as it is a
> wagon.....Russ
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
> Get your own web address.
> Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.
> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
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Cincinnati, OH
http://www.mattsoldcars.com
1967 Rambler American wagon
1968 Rambler American sedan
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:35:53 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 20 cent listings on feebay 01.18.07
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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20 cent listings tomorrow jan 18th on fee bay for those of you wishing to
dump stuff!
http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200701.shtml#2007-01-17164909
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
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