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Today's Topics:
1. Re: OT: Troubleshooting Help Needed
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
2. Anyone need any Edelbrock products, great day to buy (Nick ALFANO)
3. Re: Anyone need any Edelbrock products, great day to buy
(Clifton Danley)
4. Shock opinions. ( Russell T. Neyhart)
5. Re: Shock opinions. (Sandwich Maker)
6. Re: Shock opinions. (Mark Price)
7. Re: Shock opinions. (Tom Jennings)
8. Re: Jeep Cherokee (Was Hot Rodding Is Dead) (Jim Blair)
9. Re: OT: Troubleshooting Help Needed (Jim Blair)
10. Re: My new 88 (Jim Blair)
11. Re: Jeep Cherokee (Was Hot Rodding Is Dead) (Jim Blair)
12. Re: 79 CJ7 Transmission ID ?? (Jim Blair)
13. Re; Shock Opinions (John Elle)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 07:43:44 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] OT: Troubleshooting Help Needed
To: <artl@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<4CC05BF0CC3F114281434B00B733E2A31D08AB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Art, if probing the wire right in front of the trailer splice (the most
obvious possible cut location) doesn't work, probe the connector for the
steering column. It's very possible that you have a bad signal light
switch. You'll have to either back probe the connector or use a jumper
wire to supply power to the correct pin with the connector unplugged.
The rear lights have a separate contact in the switch from the front
lights.
> On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 16:03:59 -0500 Arthur Litchfield
<artl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> writes:
> > Good afternoon all. I have a problem with my 98 S10. For some
> > reason,
> > I have no left turn signal (rear only) or brake light. I have
> > switched
> > bulbs a couple of times, put in a new flasher, unhooked my trailer
> > harness and nothing seems to fix it. Head lights and tail lights
> > work
> > all the way around, just no blinky on the left side. Any help or
> > suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 06:45:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Anyone need any Edelbrock products, great day to
buy
To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <20070105144525.54913.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I am placing a large order with Edelbrock today that
includes 2 Pro Flow injections systems (already sold).
Due to the amount, I will make freight meaning I can
save you some money off of my regular price. I need
to know by 2pm central time as that is when I will put
in the order. I am not ordering anything extra, just
what I need for existing orders. Please contact me
directly if you wish to purchase something. It would
be a great time to get some of the larger items like a
set of heads or an injection system.
Thanks,
Nick Alfano
Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-308-1302
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:10:50 -0500
From: "Clifton Danley" <am401@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Anyone need any Edelbrock products, great day
to buy
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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reply-type=original
Nick - what is your impression of the Edelbrock fuel injection system. I
assume you like it since you are ordering some, but any specific good/bad
points about the system? Street use vs racing, reliability, HP gains, etc.
Cliff Danley
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:00:05 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: " Russell T. Neyhart" <rtneyhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Shock opinions.
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Good Afternoon,
I'm looking for opinions and experiences concerning shocks, specifically:
KYB Gas-A-Just & GR-2,
Monroe Sensa-Trac,
Edelbrock Performer IAS & Classic IAS.
What shocks have you used and liked, and disliked? When Spring arrives (on the calendar) I am going to finish sorting out the suspension on my Eagle. Thanks.
Russ (from Pa.)
1988 Eagle Wagon
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:32:45 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Shock opinions.
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200701051832.l05IWjF05569@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: " Russell T. Neyhart" <rtneyhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" Good Afternoon,
"
" I'm looking for opinions and experiences concerning shocks, specifically:
"
" KYB Gas-A-Just & GR-2,
"
" Monroe Sensa-Trac,
"
" Edelbrock Performer IAS & Classic IAS.
"
" What shocks have you used and liked, and disliked? When Spring arrives (on the calendar) I am going to finish sorting out the suspension on my Eagle. Thanks.
i've used gas-a-justs long enough to exercise the lifetime warranty,
and i can tell you they're quite stiff - great if you're performance
oriented, forget 'em if you're not.
i have them on my '68 american with hd springs all around. they
stiffened the suspension up even more, very noticeably.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:54:03 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Shock opinions.
To: " Russell T. Neyhart" <rtneyhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <3837824.1168030443831.JavaMail.root@web39>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
I put the Edelbrock IAS shocks on the front of my S10 Crewcab.
Slightly stiffer than stock, reduced shimmy in front over bumps compared to stock.
They seemed like a nice all around shock for the 10-15K I drove the truck after I put them on.
I have low pressure gas shocks on the front of the American. I think they are gabriel, they where bought at Advance auto back in 98-99. The used to call them their "classic" or some similar name. They work nice, not harsh at all and offer good control in turns and on rough roads. My car has V8 springs and poly bushings in it and it is a little harsh anyway, but the shocks are not the culprit as I had them on before I swapped in the springs and poly bushings!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- " Russell T. Neyhart" <rtneyhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Good Afternoon,
>
> I'm looking for opinions and experiences concerning shocks, specifically:
>
> KYB Gas-A-Just & GR-2,
>
> Monroe Sensa-Trac,
>
> Edelbrock Performer IAS & Classic IAS.
>
> What shocks have you used and liked, and disliked? When Spring arrives (on the calendar) I am going to finish sorting out the suspension on my Eagle. Thanks.
>
> Russ (from Pa.)
> 1988 Eagle Wagon
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:56:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Shock opinions.
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0701051553040.5810@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Fri, 5 Jan 2007, Russell T. Neyhart wrote:
> I'm looking for opinions and experiences concerning shocks, specifically:
>
> KYB Gas-A-Just & GR-2,
In my opinion KYBs are noticable superior to Monroes. I have
'em in my 70 Hornet. I forget the part number; got them from
Summit. They're 2 years old now and like new. Price was good too.
They seem to exert more control (more damping) than Monroe,
but they're not jarring or stiff.
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:01:36 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Jeep Cherokee (Was Hot Rodding Is Dead)
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F41052C3EBCC021358D87AACBE0@xxxxxxx>
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A: Comanche (MJ) came out in '86 with the option of 2.8 V6 (carbed), 2.5L
TBI or carb, or 2.1L Renault diesel. All other years (till the end in late
'91 as some '92 titled rigs are around) were 4.0L or 2.5L with TBI. I don't
think the 4 cyl Comanche got the MPFI the XJs got in '91. (Haven't seen any
yet, even in the '91 I looked at) 904 auto was an option (I have a core one
with the TBI flexplate and CPS in my parts collection I am liquidating for
the last time. It would work well in an early Rambler with the TBI 4 cyl)
and so was the AW4 to fit both the 4.0L and 2.5L.
I recently found an '86 Ramcharger with Nissan 3.3L diesel that I bought
and took to Canada for my oldest son to make a work truck out of (just
wednesday night) It just needed an injector pump and being it was from
Canada originally, the owner here couldn't license it in WA state.
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Jeep Cherokee (Was Hot Rodding Is Dead)
To: <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<4CC05BF0CC3F114281434B00B733E2A31D06D9@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Comanches came out with 2.8L V-6 -- I think they came out in 86.
Anyway,
I've seen ONE Comanche with a V-6 factory installed. Most as you
stated
are 4.0L.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:03:37 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] OT: Troubleshooting Help Needed
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F33938C187575EBC817DA57ACBE0@xxxxxxx>
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A: The later models have a replaceable circuit board due to this issue. They
sell for @$40 the pair @NAPA.
From: Arthur Litchfield <artl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject:Re: [AMC-List] OT: Troubleshooting Help Needed
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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The trailer lights work just as the truck lights. No left
blinker, no
left brake light.
Art
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:26:04 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] My new 88
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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A: I get rid of the slow cold engagement with a can of STP engine oil
treatment. Seems to be about the only thing that stuff is good for! (quite a
few owners on the FSJ list have used it for both 727 and TH400 as have I)
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] My new 88
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Keleigh Hardie <keleigh3000@xxxxxxxxx>
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Yeah that makes sense.
Probably explains why the slow engagement is not as bad if you
start them, put them into drive for a bit then go to reverse.
We saw a lot of high mileage cars go that way. I'm not a real
trans guy the shops around here used to have one trans guy. I've
done a few, but it's been a long time now!
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Keleigh Hardie <keleigh3000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>Oh, durr, I just reread you original post. The problem I found
in my
>U-Pick-Em 727 would have produced the same slow engagement of
reverse,
>eventually taking out top gear as well, particularly when
cold. The
>sealing rings between the pump and the D+R clutch drum are
probably
>wearing out, with grooves worn in the drum as well. Once
warmed up, it
>will usually hold enough pressure to engage the clutch (D+R=
direct +
>reverse). It'll gradually get worse. Unless it has a modified
valve
>body, it's best to put it in neutral for warming up, full
fluid flow...
>
>Keleigh
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:31:10 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Jeep Cherokee (Was Hot Rodding Is Dead)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F743AEE7AE4706EE7A531CACBE0@xxxxxxx>
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A: I think I'd be more tempted to run a 318 than the V6. 4.0L is the only
stock way to upgrade though! At least the firewall has the hump after '84 to
fit. Still want to do a 304 conversion for giggles but I don't have a shop
right now. (I've been looking at the 327 that no-one wants for $100 with
TH400 adapter and thinking I might put it into my '73 J4000 for grins as I
have another QT tcase I could slip in. That would free up the '77 AMX 304 I
have for another purpose. My buddy is talking swap for his '82 Spirit as
it's driving him crazy from the gas tank crud clogging the carb and he can't
get traction in the cold. *sigh* so many ideas and no time/place to do
them!)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Jeep Cherokee (Was Hot Rodding Is Dead)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200701041531.l04FVg823939@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Jamie Smith" <oconner51@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
"
" >" From: "Jamie Smith"
<oconner51@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:oconner51@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
" >"
" >" I've added a new vehicle to the flock. I have just acquired
a 1985
" >" Jeep Cherokee Pioneer. I got it to use as parts for the
Comanche but
" >" it is in such good condition I am not sure I want to part
it out so
" >" I may just put a motor in it and keep it.
" >
" >idle curiosity - what motor does it have - the v6? what
tranny?
"
"
" It has the v6 and auto tranny (don't know what tranny that
would be).
that would be the chevy 2.8 and tf904.
you were looking for a tranny for your comanche, right? iirc
they
were all made in the aw4 years.
" The previous owner said it runs but leaks oil real bad and has
no power.
you have a golden opportunity to replace the 2.8 with the gm 3.4
crate
motor. it's made to replace 2.8s in s10s and takes all the
accessories and manifolds [carb included], but i don't recall if
it
has a fuel pump or not... you also can't use the flexplate
since it's
for a 700r4, but you can remove the balance weights from your
original
and use it. this is 50-state smog legal but even if it wasn't
it runs
clean enough and passes visual [duh!]
or if you want more power, you could take the 3.9 v6 and
tf999/32rh
from a dakota and swap them both in. i think novak has mounts
for the
3.9 if you don't want to fab your own. this should also be
legal as
long as the donor is newer than your jeep, and iirc all daks
are.
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have seen
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thought
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:05:07 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 79 CJ7 Transmission ID ??
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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A: 241 does indeed share pattern with the other 6 bolt round cases. I have
one that I test fit to my 727, 999, and AW4 23 spline cases. The NV241 DHD
came with 23 or 29 spline inputs (I'm kicking myself because the one I had
and sold was 23 spline and I didn't check because I was told they only came
29 spline (AAARGH!)
The Dodge 4x4 trucks with Cummins and 727 came with 23 spline (non-turbo)
and 29 spline (turbo) till '93ish. The depth of the input gear changed @'93
and they added a centering shaft to the trans end. The tcase doesn't need
it. (The '93 1/2 42RE I had was this way with NV249 tcase and 23 spline. It
fit the '96 AW4 fine so it was a deeper input than 727)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 79 CJ7 Transmission ID ??
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200701030441.l034fBK11814@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Spro" <msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" Okay, keep track of the "'s. Lol...
"
"
" -----Original Message-----
" From: Sandwich Maker
"
" " From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
" "
" ""again, the aa kit was engineered to be a drop-in. the
mainshaft has
" dana 20 splines and the new extension case - t/c adapter has
the dana
" 20 bolt pattern.
"
" I've been trying to Google more info about it and seem to have
found a
" couple diesel enthusiast sites that talk more about the np540.
Its
" seeming to sound more practical so far. They say the input
shaft is
" the weak point.
that would be natural, depending on which diesels. afaik it was
intended for medium-duty -gas- engines, 400 ft-lbs and under.
on most
trannies the output shaft goes first though.
" ""how about a ford super duty nv271 tc?
"
" I'm already looking into the Dodge nv271 for my Ram:
" http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=9846
"
" Its certainly not as extreme as a lot of trucks out there, but
its
" rapidly departing from its tow-rig role. Rumor has it on DiRT
that the
" 271 is a direct swap for the 241HD I currently have, for which
there is
" no SYE kit. Apparently someone on pavementsucks.com did it
already. I
" believe the 241 carries the same old NP pattern as a lot of
other
" transmissions, such as the Dana 300. Now I'm thinking AMC
" V8/tf727/nv271...
hmmm... afaik all np/nvg t/c since the 207 have the same 6-bolt
pattern and -most- have 23 spline inputs, but a few are 21
spline and
the top end [like the 271] have 29. what tranny did they hook
it to?
i don't think there's a 29-apline output for the 727, though aa
or
novak might have something.
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have seen
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 01:02:05 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Re; Shock Opinions
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Russ
Snip
I'm looking for opinions and experiences concerning shocks,
specifically:
KYB Gas-A-Just & GR-2,
Monroe Sensa-Trac,
Edelbrock Performer IAS & Classic IAS.
What shocks have you used and liked, and disliked? When Spring arrives
(on the
calendar) I am going to finish sorting out the suspension on my Eagle.
Thanks.
Russ (from Pa.)
1988 Eagle Wagon
I have used the KYB on my Donohue and lets face it, they are a premium
type gas shock and they work well,
I have also used Gabriel, Monroe, and the local CarQuest generic shock.
All of them served well and I have no complaints with the shock or their
performance.
All of the could be referred to as better than OEM gas shock replacement
units. These were all used on my AMC stable which is a pair of Spirits
one an AMX and my Donohue. The others were routine replacement units on
my newer drivers.
For the most part I will see what I can get on sale. If nothing I will
generally revert back to the local CarQuest store where I do business a
lot. I do not think that you can go too far wrong with a good grade gas
shock. The premium shocks such as KYB sure do a nice job though.
This is in reference to 1970 and newer AMC cars. The 1969 and older
trunion front end shock are in general obsolete and have been for quite
a while.
They are available from a number of sources under some form of obsolete
part numbers and those shocks can be any quality and generally you have
no choice. Although some better grade shocks are available from premium
manufactures, or were anyway.
The two Hornets I have under construction will get Monroe gas shocks on
one of them 'cause I have a set of them sitting on the shelf. The second
Hornet will probably have CarQuest store brand. Once again a gas shock
If you were to go to the following web site;
http://www.amccf.com/
And follow the directions to enter and follow further directions to get
to "technical" information and then scroll down you will see a shock
absorber list in there that gives a variety of shocks and part numbers
and although it is fairly complete I am sure that individuals will find
others. I fact I have some on file that are not on that list.
Check it out.
It may answer a bunch of questions.
John
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