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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: electronic ignition for 196 ohv (farna@xxxxxxx)
   2. Weird globules in gasoline (Nick Lenarz)
   3. Re: Weird globules in gasoline (Mark Price)
   4. Re: electronic ignition for 196 ohv (Mark Price)
   5. Re: Weird globules in gasoline (Nick Lenarz)
   6. Re: 1959 Rambler w/Diesel Motor - $1100 (Mark Price)
   7. Fw: headers questions (Eddie Stakes)
   8. Fw: 88 Eagle parts wanted (Eddie Stakes)
   9. Re: electronic ignition for 196 ohv (Jim Boone)
  10. eBay buyer ripoff (Mark Price)
  11. EBAY AMC/FSJ Stuff, Tenor Sax, Gamecubes,	Impala Receiver and
      more! (Jesse)
  12. Artistic AMC Photo (JOE FULTON)
  13. Re: Weird globules in gasoline (Tom Jennings)
  14. 65 Marlin Instrument Bulbs (Keith)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:28:28 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] electronic ignition for 196 ohv
To: redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx, mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC-List)
Message-ID:
	<122920061228.11508.459509EC0002191F00002CF421603763160E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
	

No problem on helping with the dual carbs! Electronic ignition is much easier -- a Pertronix kit is what you need! It fits in place of the points, just needs a switched 12V wire run to it. http://www.pertronix.com/ Open the catalog, look at AMC. I'd use the Ignitor II if possible. It's available for 63 and later models. 62 and earlier can use their standard Ignitor. The "II" is a smarter system and will adjust dwell depending on coil energy. Use one of their "flame thrower II" adaptive coils along with it. You will need to gap the plugs at .040-.045. Use a regular 3.0 ohm "flame thrower" coil with the standard ignitor. The stock coil will apparently work with either as well. There's no mention of the special coil needed for the Ignitor II, but I'd think it would be to take full advantage of the adjustable dwell feature. May as well upgrade the old coil while you're at it! 

--
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
(free download available!)


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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 05:27:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Nick Lenarz <n9viw@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Weird globules in gasoline
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <579012.84319.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

   I barely made it home yesterday! What a fiasco. Same old patient, my
'82 AMC Jeep CJ-8 Scrambler, 258 I-6 with Carter BBD carb. 
   Last night I was on my way to meet some friends, and the Jeep
started bucking, bogging and spitting like I was running out of gas. I
pulled into a local station and filled up, and it took 13 gallons so it
did need some, but of a 20 gallon tank, I should have had at least 70
more miles on it!
   Pulling out, it did the same thing, so I figured I'd better hi-tail
it home before it left me stranded. I did make it, but it would
alternately run well, run well but stall at stoplights, or act like it
was running out of gas. It stalled pulling into the driveway.
   I pulled the carb and found these weird globules of stuff in the
float bowl. Slightly amber-tinted, they moved like Jello that hasn't
quite set up, or like semi-solid drops of oil in water. I poured the
gas from the bowl out into a glass container, then poured it thru an
old t-shirt. I took pictures of each of those steps, I'll have to post
them to a photo site when I get home. I wiped out the float bowl, but I
wish I'd taken a pic of it before I did. It looked as if someone had
put tapioca pearls in my gas!
   I disassembled and cleaned the carb from top to bottom, spraying out
all ports with carb cleaner, then compressed air. I put it all back
together, reinstalled the carb, and the Jeep ran like a top. Ran well
all the way to work this morning, too.
   The feed line is new from tank to fuel pump, but the return line is
original, and due to be replaced. (as a side note- has anyone heard of
brake line having some sort of lining to it? I'm using 10' of hand-bend
brake line as fuel line from the tank to the pump, and I wonder if it's
coming from that.) I now have THREE filters inline, but I didn't see
anything like this stuff in either of the two I had before (one before
the pump, one after). 
   Has anyone else had such an experience with gelatinous goo from
outer space in their carb?
   

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 6:03:11 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Weird globules in gasoline
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Nick Lenarz <n9viw@xxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <30043284.1167400991996.JavaMail.root@web15>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Sounds like moisture/water problems to me.
You could have gotten bad gas or it could be coming from the tank itself.
Old fuel will do this type of thing also. Has the tank been dropped and cleaned out?
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV


---- Nick Lenarz <n9viw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
>    I barely made it home yesterday! What a fiasco. Same old patient, my
> '82 AMC Jeep CJ-8 Scrambler, 258 I-6 with Carter BBD carb. 
>    Last night I was on my way to meet some friends, and the Jeep
> started bucking, bogging and spitting like I was running out of gas. I
> pulled into a local station and filled up, and it took 13 gallons so it
> did need some, but of a 20 gallon tank, I should have had at least 70
> more miles on it!
>    Pulling out, it did the same thing, so I figured I'd better hi-tail
> it home before it left me stranded. I did make it, but it would
> alternately run well, run well but stall at stoplights, or act like it
> was running out of gas. It stalled pulling into the driveway.
>    I pulled the carb and found these weird globules of stuff in the
> float bowl. Slightly amber-tinted, they moved like Jello that hasn't
> quite set up, or like semi-solid drops of oil in water. I poured the
> gas from the bowl out into a glass container, then poured it thru an
> old t-shirt. I took pictures of each of those steps, I'll have to post
> them to a photo site when I get home. I wiped out the float bowl, but I
> wish I'd taken a pic of it before I did. It looked as if someone had
> put tapioca pearls in my gas!
>    I disassembled and cleaned the carb from top to bottom, spraying out
> all ports with carb cleaner, then compressed air. I put it all back
> together, reinstalled the carb, and the Jeep ran like a top. Ran well
> all the way to work this morning, too.
>    The feed line is new from tank to fuel pump, but the return line is
> original, and due to be replaced. (as a side note- has anyone heard of
> brake line having some sort of lining to it? I'm using 10' of hand-bend
> brake line as fuel line from the tank to the pump, and I wonder if it's
> coming from that.) I now have THREE filters inline, but I didn't see
> anything like this stuff in either of the two I had before (one before
> the pump, one after). 
>    Has anyone else had such an experience with gelatinous goo from
> outer space in their carb?
>    
> 
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 6:07:35 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] electronic ignition for 196 ohv
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <23080880.1167401255443.JavaMail.root@web15>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Don't forget to make sure you update the plug wires too!
Old ones will likely give up the ghost when you switch over to electronic.
The juice is lazy and looks for the easiest way out, old work plug wires are usually the first place it finds! especially after you open up the gap on the plugs!--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV


---- farna@xxxxxxx wrote: 
> No problem on helping with the dual carbs! Electronic ignition is much easier -- a Pertronix kit is what you need! It fits in place of the points, just needs a switched 12V wire run to it. http://www.pertronix.com/ Open the catalog, look at AMC. I'd use the Ignitor II if possible. It's available for 63 and later models. 62 and earlier can use their standard Ignitor. The "II" is a smarter system and will adjust dwell depending on coil energy. Use one of their "flame thrower II" adaptive coils along with it. You will need to gap the plugs at .040-.045. Use a regular 3.0 ohm "flame thrower" coil with the standard ignitor. The stock coil will apparently work with either as well. There's no mention of the special coil needed for the Ignitor II, but I'd think it would be to take full advantage of the adjustable dwell feature. May as well upgrade the old coil while you're at it! 
> 
> --
> Frank Swygert
> Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
> Magazine (AMC)
> For all AMC enthusiasts
> http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
> (free download available!)
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 06:17:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Nick Lenarz <n9viw@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Weird globules in gasoline
To: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <570023.6604.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1


--- Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Sounds like moisture/water problems to me.
> You could have gotten bad gas or it could be coming from the tank
> itself.
> Old fuel will do this type of thing also. Has the tank been dropped
> and cleaned out?
> --
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV

 Nope, that's next. Any suggestions for cleaning well, and
once-for-all? This is a stock 20 gal poly tank, not steel.
 Meanwhile, I'm wondering if it's one of three things:
* Some sort of coating in the lines coming off
* Someone sugared my gas tank
* Old varnish in the tank coming off and not-quite-resolving into the
new gas
 In any case, it should resolve with a good system cleaning. Now just
gotta figure out where to put 15+ gallons of questionable gas while I
clean the tank... maybe strain it thru old t-shirts or cheesecloth into
my two 5-gal containers, and then again thru cloth into the other
vehicles. Heavy cotton seems to stop the stuff, don't know why paper
filter element didn't.

Nick


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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 6:26:09 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 1959 Rambler w/Diesel Motor - $1100
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <13399996.1167402369971.JavaMail.root@web15>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Oh, wow, What a cool concept car to run on Waste vegetable oil!
Man I wish it was close enough to check out in person!
My brother is a store manager at Wendys too, I could get all the Veggie oil I need!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV


---- Keith <55fordf100@xxxxxxx> wrote: 
> Thought this one was a little different:
> 
> http://sandiego.craigslist.org/car/254370135.html
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:43:38 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fw: headers questions
To: <baadassGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: The Voice <mediatalker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <00d301c72b6b$ca4ae730$abf1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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	reply-type=original

Bob has some headers and exhausts questions below. Anyone wishing to comment 
please do and copy reply to Bob also as it might help huim determine which 
route to take. Thanks in advance to all who might reply.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
Email is currently HEAVY
5-12 day reply times, call if important
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "The Voice" <mediatalker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 7:05 PM
Subject: 1971 Javelin Exhaust


> Eddie,
> I have a 71 Javelin 360 with headers. They need to be replaced. Does 
> anyone make good headers for this car. Ones that don't drag on passenger 
> side. Should I go back to the stock log manifolds. What sizes pipes, 
> muffler type, out the back or cutoffs. What's the best performance exhaust 
> system for this car.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Dire
> Cucamonga, Ca.
> 



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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:31:43 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fw: 88 Eagle parts wanted
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <baadassGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: LANDCO96@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <013701c72b6f$53b232a0$abf1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

The folsk below are looking for some Eagle parts. Anyone that can help please feel free to contact them, thanks in advance to all who reply. 
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
Email is currently HEAVY
5-12 day reply times, call if important
----- Original Message ----- 
From: LANDCO96@xxxxxxx 
To: eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:03 AM
Subject: (no subject)


Hi,
Ran across your ad. I have an '88 Eagle wagon and am looking for the following:
driver's front seat belt receiver (part that goes thru the seat and bolts to the floor) in camel or brown.
front seat upholstry covers in camel leather, all 4 pieces, not the entire seats, but would take seats if I had to. please advise if you can help.
                                                                                                                           Thanks,
                                                                                                                           A.A.

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:33:56 -0500
From: "Jim Boone" <fljab@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] electronic ignition for 196 ohv
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY116-F2BBD03354910D542AF05CACC60@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

>From: "M Walter" <redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [AMC-List] electronic ignition for 196 ohv
>To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>Message-ID: <BAY127-F3421CDE0889BD09F949202DEC60@xxxxxxx>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
>WOW!!  I would like to thank you all for your help on the dual carb project
>I'm doing.  But another thing was suggested that I should do (before I get
>too carried away with other performance mods) was put in an electronic
>ignition system. Any ideas?    I can't thank you enough,
>redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx

Pertronix is easy - drop in.  Add a better coil and you're there; 
distributor for 196 is delco iirc, at least the later ones.  Kits are 
available.

Jim Boone
Mims, FL

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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:22:46 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] eBay buyer ripoff
To: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Strokers <strokers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,	"AMC-DelMarVA:
	yahoogroups.com" <AMC-DelMarVA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <7240026.1167416566498.JavaMail.root@web33>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

I've recieved several "ebay notices" from supposed buyers that had not received their items and are furious. They threaten and generally swear and curse me for not deliverying the goods. I haven't been selliing on ebay in a while so I ignored the first two. The third one came today and pointed towards me not sending out item # 280024514997 so I closed the email and deleted it, then went on Ebay and checked the item number. It comes up in German with no english on the add at all! Uh, I don't speak or write German, I doubt I put that add up. Anyway I just wanted to do a headsup kind of thing in case someone on one of these lists actually sells. Don't reply or click a link on any of these bogus notices! They are just fishing for email addresses, user names and passwords! 
   
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV



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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:40:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] EBAY AMC/FSJ Stuff, Tenor Sax, Gamecubes,	Impala
	Receiver and more!
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <325963.20527.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

The auction numbers start with "28"

Vintage Mallory Dual point Distributor AMC 401 360 304

 $29.00 0 -- 5 0 280064781454 

  2- 6 lug Mitsubishi Montero Dodge Raider Chrome
wheels    
  $20.00 0 -- 4 0 280064776035 5d 11h 27m 
 
  Jeep Wagoneer 90 89 88 87 86 Grille NICE FSJ J10 J20
  
  $40.00 0 -- 4 0 280064785553 5d 11h 56m
 
  Tenor Saxophone Sax Julius Keilwerth ST90 Series V  

  $800.00 0 -- 2 0 280064765033 5d 10h 59m

  Nintendo Game Cube Gamecube System Console Complete!
  
  $40.00 0 -- 1 0 280064744153 5d 10h 23m
 
  Nintendo Game Cube Gamecube System 2 Controllers!   
  $48.00 0 -- 1 0 280064746734 5d 10h 27m 

  Nintendo GameCube Game Cube Super Mario Sunshine   
  $9.50 0 -- 1 0 280064756970 5d 10h 45m 

  Nintendo GameCube Lord of the Rings Two Towers Game 
 
  $4.80 0 -- 0 0 280064752830 5d 10h 37m

  Nintendo GameCube Game Cube Metroid Prime Game   
  $8.00 0 -- 0 0 280064754731 5d 10h 41m 

  DVD Labyrinth David Bowie    
  $6.00 1  0 0 280064761540 5d 10h 54m
 
  00 01 02 03 04 05 Chevy Impala Receiver Hitch Tow   
  $50.00 0 -- 0 0 280064771178 5d 11h 14m 



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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:55:47 -0800 (PST)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Artistic AMC Photo
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20061229185547.60004.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

My son Brad is a photographer and computer artist and
has a friend who is in to industrial/technology
photography.  Brad sent me a link to his friend's
photos posted on Flickr which include a couple of AMCs
pictured.  The Pacer is neat:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lostamerica/

Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA


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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:43:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Weird globules in gasoline
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612291141470.17363@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

On Fri, 29 Dec 2006, Nick Lenarz wrote:

>   I pulled the carb and found these weird globules of stuff in the
> float bowl. Slightly amber-tinted, they moved like Jello that hasn't
> quite set up, or like semi-solid drops of oil in water.

It's water, plain and simple.

Add a lot of "dry gas", install two cheap fuel filters. Put
at least one of them at a low point so it collects water,
adn change it every few hndred miles until it's gone...



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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:22:18 -0800
From: "Keith" <55fordf100@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 65 Marlin Instrument Bulbs
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <000c01c72b8f$6b7054b0$6401a8c0@home1>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

I was wondering why my instrument panel bulbs for the backlighting seemed to be a little dim (typical of old 60's car...I think). I have a mixture of 158 (stock) and 194 bulbs which appear to be comparable per the information on this web page:

http://www.theherd.com/articles/bulbs.html

I am thinking about going to either LED replacements or the 168 bulbs, A little worried the 168 bulbs may bet a little too hot. Anyone had experience in this area?

Keith

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