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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: a saga of sorts... (Mark Price)
   2. Re: Conv update (Mark Price)
   3. Re: Speaking of Turbos (Sandwich Maker)
   4. VOTING (namdra@xxxxxxxx)
   5. Re; Saga of Sorts. (John Elle)
   6. Re; Speaking of Turbos (John Elle)
   7. Re: Re; Speaking of Turbos (Jim Shadwick)
   8. IM HOME FROM IRAQ!!! (d stohler)
   9. Re: a saga of sorts... (Tom Jennings)
  10. Re: IM HOME FROM IRAQ!!! (RetroRalph)
  11. Re: IM HOME FROM IRAQ!!! (Jim Shadwick)
  12. Where did Clifford Go? (John Elle)
  13. TURBO AMC =supplier & sizing= AMC "6" (Brien Tourville)
  14. Re: Can anyone help this person (AMC) (Ken Ames)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:43:56 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] a saga of sorts...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: J Johnson <imfatdad@xxxxxxxxx>
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A lot depends on what you want from the car and where did it sit?
If it's a barn/inside storage car with good plastic and such, these pieces are getting very hard to find and should be saved if you can.
  I bought a 73 two door that had been stored inside on a dirt floor. I sold/horse traded off more of these car than I ever dreamed was possible!
  If you have space and time you should do fine. Ask anyone in Southern Califorinia/New Mexico/Arizona that has a desert queen Hornet/Gemlin/Spirit how the trim is inside it!

--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV


---- J Johnson <imfatdad@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> If anyone cared, thought I would continue from below..   I was told I
> could have the car for $175-, what he paid for it at auction.  I do not
> know anything about he motor but it did turn over by hand.  This guy
> bought for scrap, he did not care about car other than that.   To buy
> and part out, I could make it back probably.  I truly regret saying
> this, but I just don?t have the time to do it..  My main interest in
> the car was to swap out the drivetrain into an older classic I have. I
> have been educated that this COULD be done, but other options would be
> more practical.  Car is still available, for a short time the fella
> told me if someone can change my mind?   
> 
> From:  Date: Monday, October 30, 2006 04:11 PM
> 
> I'm an occasional estate sale/auction guy, though only if I can get
> cheap.. most times am wasting my Sat mornings..  (bought a ?63 American
> for $60- last year) This past spring a notice for auction came out. 
> Canx at last minute for some reason..  Had a 76 Hornet listed.  I
> watched this web site ALL summer waiting for it to come back up. 
> Finally it did, three weeks ago. Well, it figures I was traveling that
> day (travel for work), in fact I was flying back to States landing in
> Detroit about an hour after auction was probably over?  I put in an
> absentee bid of $150-, as I did not know anything about the car other
> than had a 258 and was a 76 Hornet.  Called when I landed, One other
> bidder and of course he went over my absentee price (win $175-).  This
> past Saturday, another auction, spoke with the "trailer girl" and she
> said that the fella that won the car bought it so he could sell for
> scrap..  She traced me down a bit later and gave me the guy's number
> and today I went to look at it.  76 Hornet (sportabout I think) wagon. 
> 258, auto, AC.  Has the alum wheels, only 2 center caps.  Wheels are a
> bit bunged up as I believe he dragged the car home on flat tires, they
> eventually collapsed and wheel on road damage.   Motor turned over, no
> air cleaner so open carb.  Motor looked fairly clean.  Was a fabric
> topped car, this is shredded and I found a couple of holes in the roof
> so body is basically shot.  Interior not too bad but nothing to note as
> special or to keep.  Windshield good. Bumpers and grill are good.  Trim
> around wheelwells could be salvaged.  He removed the gas tank, do not
> know if is good or of he bungled that up.  Gut is telling me he will
> want at least $200- for it.. Spoke to his wife, fuzzy's there told me
> he may want more?. I COULD do 200-, and I have a place to store, but is
> it worth it????  Gonna get with him later tonight to see what he does
> want for it..   
> 
> Possibly, to be continued??
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:54:13 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Conv update
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I was just kidding, it's not for sale!
I've tried to get a second one so I didn't have to dissassemble this one and had no luck at all! I hate to take it apart as it works flawlessly, but what are you gonna do??!!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV


---- Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx> wrote: 
> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Mark Price wrote:
> 
> > 2.95 T5 with an AMC tailhousing anyone?!
> 
> Um... sure... just ship it to me, I'll dispose of it for you...
> 
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 19:09:31 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Speaking of Turbos
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200611080009.kA809VI08636@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

" From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
" 
"  
" And doing a little noodling
"  
"  
" Another option would be to used some kind of a split manifold and dual
" turbos so that one could be mounted forward and the other aft of the
" suspension and use something like a late Concord body as they are still
" somewhat easy to find. My preference at this time would be to use a
" Concord Sedan 'cause if you are able to embarrass a GN it is better to
" do it with a ulitarian 4 door that some thing that is cooler. Although I
" would be forced to fill in those plug ugly windows in the rear sail
" panel. It would also need to be treated to a weight reduction diet to
" get into racing trim.

it's a pity the '99-up 4.0 head's ports are so small - it has an iron
split exhaust that'd be excellent for this, but they don't fit well on
any earlier 199/232/258/4.0 head.

clifford has a pair of shorty headers, but they'd probably melt under
turbo heat, especially if you wrapped them to boost turbo power.

i don't think it would be a challenge to mount a single turbo just
behind the spring tower.

i think it would be fun to do to an eagle sedan.  -lower- it, regular
hornet/concord hd rear springs -under- a jeep mj axle on the back,
regular sedan - probably v8 - front springs.  ditch the eagle flares,
find a good bodyman to flare the steel fenders a little more and fit
16x8 jeep wrangler wheels with something like 235/60s.  true track
diffs f&r.

there'd be quite a bit of extra weight with the t/c and front drive
parts, but the extra traction would let it launch like blazes.

" I can do a little welding so some fabrication is with in my reach. There
" are plenty of turbo 2.2 Chryco K cars in junk yards for the source of 2
" small turbos. 

these are water cooled too, right?  tempting...
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought


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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:45:59 -0600
From: namdra@xxxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] VOTING
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20061107.184600.-16478589.0.NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I hope you all voted today and speaking of voting, I see in the December
2006 issue of Hemmings Muscle Machines that Barb Valentine's 69 AMX came
in 3rd. place in the voting for the 2006 Muscle Machine of the year!

Jock Jocewicz - President/Editor NAMDRA     NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx
8537 Antioch Rd., Salem, WI 53168 (262) 843-4326
          JOIN NAMDRA, the best AMC club around!!
AMO#19, NAMDRA#46, AMCRC#974,  NHRA#41915, IHRA#6766


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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:55:59 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Re; Saga of Sorts.
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <000101c702d0$ab95e8d0$40de0d82@john1>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

 
Whomever
 
SNIP
Ask anyone in Southern California/New Mexico/Arizona that has a
desert queen Hornet/Gremlin/Spirit how the trim is inside it!
SNIP
 
The plastic trim can be removed by gently sweeping the car clean! 
This makes it easy to locate all of the mounting hardware which 
will still be in location an not rusty. 
 
John


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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:18:37 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Re; Speaking of Turbos
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <000601c702d3$d5342d70$40de0d82@john1>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

 
Snip
 
clifford has a pair of shorty headers, but they'd probably melt under
turbo heat, especially if you wrapped them to boost turbo power.
Snip
 
I just looked for what I though was Clifford's on line catalog. It has
been a bit since I looked for it. It seems that Clifford's web site is
now used as pointer to direct you to various suppliers. Is it because I
can't figure out how to use it or is Clifford no longer supplying parts?
I don't know why I would expect the headers to melt though as long as
they are quality parts. 
 
 
Snip
i think it would be fun to do to an eagle sedan
 
there'd be quite a bit of extra weight with the t/c and front drive
parts, but the extra traction would let it launch like blazes.
Snip
 
The extra weight sure would be counterproductive though, once all four
wheels hooked up it would fall on it's face. 
There is plenty of traction available with tire technology at the
present that not only would trying to set up four wheel drive be very
expensive but also very heavy. 
At least that is my thoughts on it for what it is worth. 
 
However for those guys looking at using later axles for some projects or
another, there is still the use of Chryco Mini Van wheels and Ford
Bronco Wheels that have some interesting back spacing to them and are
available in Steel in 15 inches and better I assume but I have 15 and 16
in aluminum here at the house. 
 
John
 
 
" I can do a little welding so some fabrication is with in my reach.
There
" are plenty of turbo 2.2 Chryco K cars in junk yards for the source of
2
" small turbos.
 
these are water cooled too, right?  tempting...
 


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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:45:55 -0700
From: Jim Shadwick <idahoamx@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Re; Speaking of Turbos
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <455136D3.9020700@xxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

John...

Try this.....

http://cliffordperformance.net/

Jim


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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:29:13 -0800 (PST)
From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] IM HOME FROM IRAQ!!!
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20061108022913.82400.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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well amc friends, i am now home from iraq for good.  got home, changed, unloaded all my gear. stuck the key in my 62 classic, pumped the go pedal about 2 times, and she fired RIGHT up. nothin like gettin home from iraq, and goin for a cruise around town with the wife next to me in the rambler. hehe. 
   
  so anyway. i think it was frank who mentioned the idea of popping the hub off the front drum and finding a rotor that would slip right over it and fabricating my own caliper mount. i have a mustang II disk brake kit. the rotors/hubs will not fit on my spindles. the bearings are all different and they are set in about 1.5" to far. so i think im going to find a rotor that will actually slip over my hub and modify my mustang II caliper mounts. see how well all this turns out. i plan to let everyone know what rotors i found that fit, and what i have to do to the caliper mounts to make them fit when i get it all done. hopefully it turns out nice. 
   
  i noticed when i fired it up this time however.... its burnin oil now. i guess my valve guides are finally gone. has about 7500 miles in the last 5 years on unleaded fuel. i am unable to get lead substitute aditive stuff here. cant find any atleast. motor still runs good, just blows a cloud of smoke when i leave the stoplight or at higher rpms if im sittin still and put my foot in it. guess its time to get REAL serious about finding me a 304 for the transplant. anyone got one they want to "donate" to my cause?? lol. if anyone on the list has one they want to get rid of, and only a few hours drive from lawton oklahoma im interested. now that im home and have some time to kill. 
   
  dave stohler
  finally home :->
   

 
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:52:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] a saga of sorts...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611071851010.17818@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Mark Price wrote:

>   If you have space and time you should do fine. Ask anyone
> in Southern Califorinia/New Mexico/Arizona that has a desert
> queen Hornet/Gemlin/Spirit how the trim is inside it!

yeah, it doesn't!

But BLACK plastic interiors at least in post-70's holds up far, far
better than lighter colors. I collected a lot of plastic parts
to get any decent ones (I'll be dumping on ePay etc the unused
lot "soon").

I'm sure it's colored with plentiful cheap carbon, and it seems
to block the UV that does the damage (I assume). Black interior
parts seem to look twice as good or better.


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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:54:00 -0800
From: "RetroRalph" <retroralph@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] IM HOME FROM IRAQ!!!
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <005b01c702e1$25054cf0$6400a8c0@ralphs1>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
	reply-type=original

Did you keep your Rambler seats in the "up" position on that ride with your 
mate?    If so, I'd bet that the first thing that you did was "NOT" just go 
and fire up that Rambler...

(I'm surprised I can remember about that, so far back...)
OK, sorry.  Don't mean to be personal or nothing...  Glad you're back & OK 
& good to go on the old car there.
______________________________________________________________
Ralph Ausmann  -  Hillsboro, OR - > <ralph.ausmann@xxxxxxxxx>
http://mysite.verizon.net/res79g4m/ ... and "check the links"



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d stohler" <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:29 PM
Subject: [AMC-List] IM HOME FROM IRAQ!!!


> well amc friends, i am now home from iraq for good.  got home, changed, 
> unloaded all my gear. stuck the key in my 62 classic, pumped the go pedal 
> about 2 times, and she fired RIGHT up. nothin like gettin home from iraq, 
> and goin for a cruise around town with the wife next to me in the rambler. 
> hehe.



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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:16:51 -0700
From: Jim Shadwick <idahoamx@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] IM HOME FROM IRAQ!!!
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <45514C23.9040508@xxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Dave...

Thanks for your service...glad to see you made it home safely.

AMC time now.....a 304 should not hard to fine as a lot of people are 
replacing them with 360's.

Jim
USN Retired


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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 20:21:10 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Where did Clifford Go?
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Jim
Snip
Try this.....
 
http://cliffordperformance.net/
 
Jim
Snip
 
Thanks. That worked.
John.


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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 23:51:13 -0500
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] TURBO AMC =supplier & sizing= AMC "6"
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <45511BF1.20828.C2091B@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Brien,


Here is what you should use in that project:

This is final:

Use a T3 .63 a/r turbine and .50 T04E hybrid compressor.
Less lag yet it can support hi-horsepower.

Jaime

www.mjmturbos.com




===========================




Jamie is a seller / builder / rebuilder etc. > wealth of Turbo
knowledge and how to do it for 'less' ..... qualifies as "Rambler 
Mentality" to me ...........;)


For a 'Street Turbo' AMC 6 :

contact Crane Cams for a Turbo Application -
install their cam & springs & keepers & locks.

if you're good with research, some trucks ran sodium cooled
exhaust valves >  > might get luckey &
salvage 6 from something else > SS Intake valves > just a thought.

use the '91- '93 JEEP 4.0 head & a '2000 intake / TB.

use a Pontiac Sunbird Turbo ECM > same as the Turbo
GM Trucks & SUV applications > easily chipped by
anyone off jyturbo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx for your engine
specs.

plenty of places online to find the alum. tube for plumbing
air from the blower.

look at specs for intercoolers > eBay to buy > when I
researched the topic, the FORD Turbbo Diesel Truck
models were trading 4 crates of Florida Oranges...... cheap.

eBay is a good place to look at wastegate controllers and
such.  nice thing is they've been around now for a decade
as popular items - supplies are good.

8 lbs. Boost max on stock parts > Forged Rods & Pistons puts
you in  " The Mile High Club " > .



  
        =Bt=
  milnersXcoupe
   "The Heretic"



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Message: 14
Date: Wed,  8 Nov 2006 00:12:03 -0700
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Can anyone help this person (AMC)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1162969923.45518343ad738@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

plus the 302 won't be half the weight of a 304.

Ken 

Quoting Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

> No offense, but I will take that as a challenge just
> for the fun of it.  You build a 302, mod up your AMC
> car to accept it, do all the wiring mods, trans, drive
> shaft etc. including the hours you put into it (X a
> given labor rate).  I will do the same with a AMC V8
> to drop in the same car.  I bet $ for $ I beat you
> every time.
> 
> Nick Alfano
> Alfano Performance
> Kenosha, WI. 53142
> 262-308-1302
> 262-942-8271
> 
> From: "Richard Estermyer" <javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] Can anyone help this person?
> To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID:
> <BAY106-F4217D9B56628A03F81F5EDDFC0@xxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
> 
> Well, he isn't asking for help though.
> Usually what is on the AmericanMotorsCorporation news
> group come along 
> here. 
>   Has anyone seen this.
> What is the reality of this "truth" anyway.
> 
> Thanks
> Richard
> Richard Estermyer
> javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> 
> 
> 1.  My 74 Hornet HB From: opusinterra
> View All Topics | Create New Topic Message
> 1.
> My 74 Hornet HB
> Posted by: "opusinterra" opusinterra@xxxxxxxxx  
> opusinterra
> Thu Nov 2, 2006 11:00 pm (PST)
> 
> 
> I Dont know how to say this ,,,,But First, know Ive
> always loved
> A.M.C.. I own a gremlin a hornet a comando and a
> cherokee. But
> recently I read about engine weights and found a 302
> is half the
> weight of a 304.
> I was toying with the idra of a stroker ( 304 bored 40
> over to
> acept a 360 head [20% larger valve stock ]and early
> 70s forged 390
> crank ), when I ran into a problem with the journals.
> For less than half the price of all that I could put a
> mustang 302
> with 4 speed auto inplace of the 727. disc kit on the
> model 20,
> Coilovers infront,edelbrock TPI and i'll smoke
> anything. GOD HELP ME!
> opusintrra@xxxxxxxxx
> 
> 
> 
> Alfano Performance
> Kenosha, WI. 53142
> 262-308-1302
> 262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
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