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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Rear disc brakes (was: pulling an axle) (Mark Price)
   2. Re: rear disc brakes (Sandwich Maker)
   3. Re: rear disc brakes (msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx)
   4. Re: h*lp (Sandwich Maker)
   5. complete set for rebuilding a 196 head? (Justin Shelton)
   6. Re: complete set for rebuilding a 196 head? (Sandwich Maker)
   7. Re: complete set for rebuilding a 196 head? (Jim Shadwick)
   8. Dum breaks (Mahoney, John)
   9. Re: Rear disc brakes (was: pulling an axle) (Tom Jennings)
  10. Re: NYC to Dover in "new" 982 Jeep Truck --anyone along	the
      way? (Jim Blair)
  11. Re: More (Jim Blair)
  12. Re: AMC-List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 67 (Bob Hodson)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:24:51 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rear disc brakes (was: pulling an axle)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
	<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <2183792.1161980691754.JavaMail.root@web35>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

What I like about the idea is a non welding person could install and set these up.
Drill for the pin bolt then get them welded anywhere anytime. No towing, no sweat.
The question that has not bee asked is what size rotors are these things designed for?!!! I never looked, I'll have to checkout what the stock car racers use.

--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV


---- "Swygert wrote: 
> "But on the clamp-on disk brake setup Mark points out, the
> brakes are trying to rotate that bracket on the axle tube;
> that's a lot of force. I think the clamp on system is brilliant
> though, it lets you get everything perfectly aligned, adjusted,
> tested, before welding on. A bolt as pin, into the axle tube,
> probably works, but seems long-term scary to me. Suspension
> parts get soaked in water and crud, take a lot of forces,
> and are largely ignored."
> ---------------------------------
> 
> I agree with ost of your comments, but look at your suspension. There
> are only a few 3/8" bolts holding the whole shebang in! Rear leaf
> springs have two in front, two in back on the shackles, that's it. A
> grade 8 bolt should take the necessary force of braking with no problem,
> but you can drill for two. With the weld on brackets you put the rotor
> on, bolt caliper to bracket, then slip caliper over rotor. Rotate until
> it's where you want it then tack and check. As long as the rotor isn't
> contacting the caliper all is good. The caliper will align the bracket
> just fine, so there's not much difference. Anyone can drill and tap a
> hole without much of a problem, welding is a different story! This is
> obviously working for stock car racers, who are on and off the brakes a
> lot more (and a lot harder) than a typical driver, so I'd say it's been
> field tested! 
> 
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:27:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rear disc brakes
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610272027.k9RKRIt08584@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

" From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
" 
" '97 up XJ is supposed to have rear discs as an option.

hmmm...  same setup as the zj?  on which axles?
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:40:57 +0000
From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rear disc brakes
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
	<102720062040.3554.45426ED90006C9F200000DE22200750784019D0A0790019D9F9C03@xxxxxxxxxxx>
	
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No.  Never seen it, nor heard of it ever on an XJ.  Not on the 8.25 or the D35.

-Spro
-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker) 

> " From: "Jim Blair" 
> " 
> " '97 up XJ is supposed to have rear discs as an option. 
> 
> hmmm... same setup as the zj? on which axles? 
> ________________________________________________________________________ 
> Andrew Hay the genius nature 
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen 
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought 
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:56:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] h*lp
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx, tmhartnell@xxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610272056.k9RKu2X08845@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

" From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
" 
" The bit that I know about the transmissions is that no, the Jeep 4 speed is 
" different. It's a longer trans bellhousing (if it came from a full size and 
" not CJ) and the tailshaft won't fit from the 3 speed either. Unless you 
" drive the car like it's a truck, you won't be happy with the gearing. 
" (likely 4:1 first gear but if it's a T18A then it's 6:1) The correct address 
" for future list email is mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
" 
" 
" 	TOM HARTNELL tmhartnell@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
" 
" I DONT KNOW IF IM SENDING THIS TO THE WRIGHT PERSON BUT I NEED HELP.  I 
" BROKE MY 3. SPEED TRANS THIS SUMMER AND ITS NOT FIXABLE.I BOUGHT A 1980 JEEP 
" WITH 360 4SPEED 4 WHEEL DRIVE .CAN I TAKE OFF THE TRANSFER CASE OFF THE 4 
" SPEED AND PUT THE TAIL SHAFT OF THE 3 SPEED AND PUT IT ON THE 4 SPEED 
" TRANS.MANUL.OR IF ANYONE HAS ONE FORSALE COULD YOU PLEASE LET ME KNOW. 
" TMHARTNELL@xxxxxxxxxx

jim's right.  if you're lucky the tranny will bolt to your bellhousing
but that's as far as you'll get.

i know of only one tranny in the last 40 years that has a separate
tailshaft, the gm saginaw 3sp/4sp.  anything else, you have to change
the mainshaft in 4wd-2wd conversion.

what year is your car?  nearly all '75-later amcs used a ford
toploader 3sp, common on fords from the mid '60s through the '70s.
also if you have a floor shifter, a short shaft [most common] 4sp
toploader is a straight swap, no driveline changes.

i'm amazed you could trash a toploader.  they're pretty tough.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought


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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:10:59 -0800
From: Justin Shelton <hydeparker@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] complete set for rebuilding a 196 head?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <7E07B2B54D6.000005D5hydeparker@xxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Hi, Guys:

I dropped off a head to be rebuilt at the local Napa machine shop.  They have done excellent work for me before on a set of IH 304 heads and a set of Stude 289 heads.

Anyway, I got a call back that they cannot find valves or other components.  If find this a bit odd . . .  I have had Rambler 196 heads rebuilt before and have never heard of a problem finding parts, but of course haven't used this place.

I looked at Kanter, and they want $15/valve, which in valves alone will run me $180, and that doesn't include guides or seals. 

My question is: other than Kanter, is there a "one stop" place to buy a complete set for rebuilding a head?  Or do I have to buy individual component pieces?  

My other question is: I have a collection of NOS engine parts, so  I dug through boxes of valves. I have various valves for 196 heads, but none that are specifically for a 1960 head.  How much did the heads evolve over the life of the 196 OHV engine?  

- Justin



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:24:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] complete set for rebuilding a 196 head?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610272124.k9RLOY909240@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

" From: Justin Shelton <hydeparker@xxxxxxxxx>
" 
" 
" My question is: other than Kanter, is there a "one stop" place to buy a complete set for rebuilding a head?  Or do I have to buy individual component pieces?  

there's egge machine co, which is probably where kanter is getting
their parts, but they might not be much cheaper.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought


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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:59:58 -0600
From: Jim Shadwick <idahoamx@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] complete set for rebuilding a 196 head?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <4542815E.4000803@xxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Justin....

Check with Doug G. he has a lot of older parts.......has your valves 
listed on his website....
http://www.ramblerparts.com/index.html


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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:00:11 -0400
From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Dum breaks
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
	<BFF496024CD8E8499845576906CA0F190D2FDD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

>>
okay, so the liberty has disks too.  how does that help an xj swap?
<<

read it again: sandwiched in there was fact that it debuted with drums, vented disks were aftermarket, and daimlerchrysler jeep's pitifully poor presentation was a crawl, but not this this conclusion

>>
A: Actually, the Fliberty has rear drums.
<<

because you would have learned that


>>
My liberty has disc brakes in the rear...
<<

read this report

http://tinyurl.com/y2h5bs  

(or if it's too hard/slow/tiring to open/access, read this brief

http://www2.universitybusiness.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=585

instead): america must do better.  america can die like amc did.

[lower] court case closed.


But then, like AMC itself, AMC fans may be (are) "odd" as well.

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2006/10/26/turbo-eagle/#comments

http://www.amcforums.com/cgi/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1160271897

Some of them keep AMC alive; if they didn't, AMC can die again.  

http://www.amcforums.com/cgi/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1161206636

http://www.planethoustonamx.com/

And AMC must do better.


Even Dumler sees that.

Ding, dong, the strakes are gone: looks a little like a Subaru.

http://www.jalopnik.com/photogallery/SEMASebring/484813 


Makes me think of so many things; don't have time to type them.

Ford can put bending lights --- halogen, not xenon, but whaddya want for Golf money --- on its European Focus (which is one generation newer than ours), but we get over-inflated Audi knock-offs with few guts and 13-mpg trucks.  The ancient Crown Vic/Grand Marquis are still built.  1978-2007 versus 1967-1978?  AMC "odd"?  Three new Ford compacts to debut by 2010; Asia will put a dozen new B-cars on US roads by then: we must do better.

Ford of Japan can sell the world's second-fastest FWD car (263hp with 0-60 in 5.9) for $23,000 (good luck getting one of the 5,000 [of 12,000] coming here for that): it's practical (it's a 5d HB), it's attractive (in a Scion tC way [better looking than Cobalt SS], and it's reliable (in a Toyota/Honda vein), but Ford of America can't afford to put the [Yamaha-designed] V-8 in its Lincoln flagship (which looks like a twin to a Lexus LS); if Hudson couldn't sell a mid-priced car without a V-8 in the '50s, how can Ford sell a luxury car with a V-6 50 years later?  (Even if a V-6 can do the job --- as Nissan has taught the world for a decade or so...)  It can't  (And don't say "Jaguar" --- its 32v DOHC V-8 is too expensive --- and it, too, is a decade old.)

Even Cadillac sees that.  

So GM is improving (have you seen the '08 Malibu?); Chrysler is trying but it still builds too much junk.  Hornet will be a hit, but it'll be imported.  Imperial will be a big hit, but it will still be a hideous-looking thing.  And it will have a half-life, like the hideous-looking 300C: Mazda has not had to incentive-sell its 3 in three-years of life; Chrysler has watched its 300C actual sale prices fall and fall and fall.

China is coming: from Chery (remember Nissan Cherry: wasn't it a joke?), to Shamash, to XS200 ($30k lithium luxury), to ZX40 ($15k box here now.)

http://www.milesautomotive.com/ 

Toyota now puts LED headlamps on LS600 (and LED license-plate lamps on lesser Lexii); Cadillac took forever to put HIDs on its STS "flagship.

But Lexus can't put precrash warning, obstacle detection, and adaptive cruise control on US cars.  We have too many lawyers, politicians, and judges.

America must do better.



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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:54:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rear disc brakes (was: pulling an axle)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610271553450.17006@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006, Mark Price wrote:

> What I like about the idea is a non welding person could install and set these up.
> Drill for the pin bolt then get them welded anywhere anytime. No towing, no sweat.

Eggsactly!



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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:15:17 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] NYC to Dover in "new" 982 Jeep Truck --anyone
	along	the way?
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F20C76FFBB77A1DA37FE050AC050@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

A: A couple things I suggest for FSJ owners. Carry some wire (I suggest 14 
gauge) and make an extra ground to the frame from the battery negative and 
jumper from the alternator main terminal to the battery +. This will 90% 
likely avoid any wiring troubles on your trip (bypasses the ammeter with one 
and ensures good ground for the charging system and headlights, etc with the 
other)


From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
	<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] NYC to Dover in "new" 982 Jeep Truck --
anyone
	along the	way?
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:

<092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3D01A38252@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

I don't expect any problems after discussing my "new" J-10's
condition
with the owner, but you never know! I'm only taking my
Leatherman with
me. Thought about taking a small tool kit, but I doubt there's
much I
could do, and you always seem to have brought everything except
what you
need when you do.

Anyone on here that's between New York City and Delaware along
I-95, or
in close proximity? If you don't mind, I'd like a phone number
just in
case! My wife's going with me "for the ride". We will both have
our cell
phones. It's only a three hour drive, but I expect to take it
easy and
take four hours since it's an unfamiliar vehicle. No point in
pushing
it! But it's a long walk...



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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:17:46 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] More
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F38AB99817CC600A4E424B6AC050@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

A: I saw that after I posted later years came with rear discs. (tire offset 
is also different than XJ though. More FWD offset than RWD) The one in the 
first link showed drums (and they were disappointed during the test drive)


From: "Savage, Pete" <PSavage@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] More
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
	<BD261180E6D35F4D9D32F3E44FD3D901047B6A7D@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Folks,

My liberty has disc brakes in the rear...

Peter


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jim Blair
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 1:38 PM
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] More

A: Actually, the Fliberty has rear drums.

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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:22:00 -0400
From: "Bob Hodson" <rhodsonscrambler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC-List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 67
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <001c01c6fa40$3ba02600$6601a8c0@CKXRK61>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Andy,
The original T-96 was a NON OD. The T-14 OD transmission was shorter. I had
to have a drive shaft made. The original drive shaft was 4 feet and I had to
have a new drive shaft made to 4 feet 6 inches. The tranny crossmember was
modified by cutting the metal behind the transmission mount, heating the
metal then bending it down to extend the flat area where the tranny mount
will sit. New bracing was welded around the metal that was flatten, new
holes drilled to move the tranny mount back. 
The 35 amp alternator did not put out enough amperage to operate the
overdrive and the A/C at the same time. I now have a 51 amp alternator and
Can run both overdrive and A/C. I also had to make up the wiring harness. I
use the wiring diagram in the TSM. You will also need to have a kickdown
switch with 4 prongs. Any other questions, you can e-mail me.
Thanks

*****************************************************
Bob Hodson
Orlando, Fl
rhodsonscrambler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*****************************************************

Hi Bob, thanks for the info. Was the original T-96 a NON OD? All the info
I've seen say that the T-96-OD is the same length as the T-14-OD. If so,
what drive shaft did you use? How did you modify the tranny
crossmember?Thanks for your help, I'm going to do this swap in the next
year. 

Andy Ray
64 440H (2)
68 Javelin SST 343 4bbl

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