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Today's Topics:
1. December 2006 Hot Rod magazine (Armand Eshleman)
2. Re: AMBASSADORS (now trucks)
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
3. Re: TRUCKS.SUV's...etc (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
4. Re: pulling an axle (Sandwich Maker)
5. Overdrive Options? (BUS-ENG)
6. 7-blade fan for 232 Six F/S (Jay)
7. Re: Overdrive Options? (Sandwich Maker)
8. Re: Overdrive Options? (Tom Jennings)
9. Re: Overdrive Options? (Sandwich Maker)
10. Re: Overdrive Options (JOE FULTON)
11. Re: Overdrive Options (Sandwich Maker)
12. Re: Overdrive Options (Tom Jennings)
13. (no subject) (Pat Doyle)
14. Re: Overdrive Options? (BUS-ENG)
15. Re: Overdrive (JOE FULTON)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:43:00 -0500
From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] December 2006 Hot Rod magazine
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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If you get this magazine look at the "World of Hot Rod"
article on page 144. There is a photo of a really pretty
70 Rebel Machine. Awesome !
Also look in the photo above that one, at the two Aussie imported
cars. Tell me the car in the background doesn't have rear quarters
patterned directly off of an AMC Matador !!! They look so close it's
uncanny. Maybe it's just the angle of the photo, yeah right.
Armand
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:06:22 -0500
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMBASSADORS (now trucks)
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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As Tom pointed out, I think if you look in cities and over the country
in general you'll find 74-80% of light trucks and SUVs rarely, if ever,
used to haul anything. I don't mean the occasional trip to pick up a new
piece of furniture or something like that, but what they were meant for.
In some parts of the country, like VA hills, people are a bit more
sensible about using a truck and a car. Some places (like mountainous
regions) actually have a good reason for a small to medium sized 4x4 SUV
due to weather conditions -- and impracticality of owning two
(summer/winter) vehicles. Then there are the people who tow often enough
that they need the capacity, then drive the vehicle at other times to
avoid the cost of owning two vehicles. With reasonable gas prices ($2.05
a gallon is cheaper than I thought it would be now, I was praying for
$2.50!!) that's not an unreasonable idea -- especially if parking is at
a premium. Insurance and maintenance on another vehicle, unless it's an
older beater, would be more than gas costs. I'm not unreasonable, there
are plenty situations that justify a big vehicle, just not nearly as
many as are out there. It's simple -- the US makers can't compete with
others so make a new category they can still excel in -- for a time. Now
the others are hitting them there. So what's next? Better engineering
finally? I think it will come, like it finally id in the late 70s/early
80s, but will it be to late? Mahoney is in the best position to comment
on that, but I think the answer is "it might be".
My cousin stated he didn't know what he was gonna do when the gas prices
went up so much over the summer. He "needed" his Expedition to cart his
wife and two (small) kids around!! When they traveled the wife and kids
take a lot of luggage... THAT MUCH!!!??? I laughed. Told him to go buy
something like a Liberty and one of those small streamlined trailers
painted to match. Then when he needed the room he'd have it, but
wouldn't have to drag it around all the time. I think he was considering
it. I was joking around, but it's not a bad idea...
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:24:21 -0500
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] TRUCKS.SUV's...etc
To: <jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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You'll never get reamed for an opinion here, but will get "rebuttals"!!
;>
You are correct, this is getting a bit off topic. But most of us do
drive other vehicles. I believe in choices too, but INTELLIGENT ones
should be made. I had a slower car in front of me over the weekend, and
kept a reasonable (2-3 car length) distance between us @ 65 mph. there
was an idiot traveling alone in a Navigator or Expedition eating my
bumper for about five miles before I could easily move over. He wouldn't
have been doing that, or rather would have been less likely to, if he'd
had an equal size or smaller vehicle. To many people in metropolitan
areas use the big vehicles to intimidate others, who in turn consider
larger ones because they no longer feel safe in their small or mid sized
vehicles. THAT is a problem! No so much in rural areas, but drive in
cities!
That being said, I'll try not to comment further on this thread. I'm not
going to ask it to be dropped, I think it will peter out in due time,
especially if I keep my "hands" out of it (since I sem to be the main
instigator here...).
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:45:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] pulling an axle
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610231345.k9NDjn524971@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" One more thing you'll notice if you drive both Xj's the pre C-clip axles are much quieter!!!
" The earlier axles are tight in the bearing. The C-clip axle knock in and out on rough roads and clunk!
" If you've got a choice of two axles, like gear,posi etc; I'd pick the earlier axle due to larger brakes and the quieter operation.
" That being said, I know there is a popular swap to Grand Cherokee rear discs on the XJ axle, early and late will work, you jsut have to do a few things differently. I'm wondering what it would take to move up to the 10" brakes on a 97 axle. I'd think if the discs swap the drums should too!
hmmm...
afaik the early d35 axle housingss have a square flange, same as the
amc20 [yes] and some jeep d44 and ford axles. i hadn't heard the gc
disk swap would work on early axles, but i don't know everything...
also afaik the c-clip d35s have a mopar housing flange, so maybe 10" -
or even 11" - mopar brakes would bolt on.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:15:54 -0400
From: "BUS-ENG" <jay@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Overdrive Options?
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <28a301c6f6b6$22431420$0400a8c0@ts800>
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I am hoping someone on the list has personal experience
with installing an overdrive on an AMC 3-speed car.
The tranny in my newly-acquired (from Mike Kindle in
LA) '69 American SW is going to need some work.
While at it, I thought would be great opportunity to install
either (a) a transmission with a built-in OD, or (b) add
the Laycock unit to the T-14 in the car, or to the 150-T
that the FAQ lists as a good substitute.
I want to keep the column shift and to keep the car as
original as possible, but would like the quiet and economy
of an overdrive.
Informed suggestions?
Thanks,
Jay Honeycutt
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:23:05 -0400
From: "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 7-blade fan for 232 Six F/S
To: "AMC LIST" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <000701c6f6b7$23e16560$1c9b1ecf@Ciampi>
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reply-type=original
I have a slightly used 7-blade fan for sale id anyone needs one. It
supposedly fits only 66 American/Classic/Ambassador.
I don't need it on my car, so it is for sale. Make me an offer. It was
$65.00 new. from Blaser.
Jay
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:00:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Overdrive Options?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610231900.k9NJ0Kx28534@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "BUS-ENG" <jay@xxxxxxxxxx>
"
"
" I am hoping someone on the list has personal experience
" with installing an overdrive on an AMC 3-speed car.
"
" The tranny in my newly-acquired (from Mike Kindle in
" LA) '69 American SW is going to need some work.
"
" While at it, I thought would be great opportunity to install
" either (a) a transmission with a built-in OD, or (b) add
" the Laycock unit to the T-14 in the car, or to the 150-T
" that the FAQ lists as a good substitute.
the laycock was never used with the t14, only with the t150 which
won't fit the pre-'72 sixes. you could in principle adapt it,
starting with say a 4wd jeep t14 mainshaft and extension case and
making your parts from there.
" I want to keep the column shift and to keep the car as
" original as possible, but would like the quiet and economy
" of an overdrive.
"
" Informed suggestions?
not sure what you mean by 'transmission with a built-in OD', but if
you have a 199 or 232 your only options are a t96 or t14, with or
without the warner r10 o/d. t14-o/d were only available '68-9, not
popular, and very rare now. it's the more desireable though as it's
full synchro, and stronger than the t96 to boot.
if you have a 232, your tranny now should be the t14.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:16:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Overdrive Options?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610231213310.2126@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Mon, 23 Oct 2006, BUS-ENG wrote:
> I am hoping someone on the list has personal experience
> with installing an overdrive on an AMC 3-speed car.
I have a T96 with OD, and the control cable and handle, in Los
Angeles. I paid $75, it's yours for the same amount. Came out
of a running car; it worked when removed.
However it's for a torque-tube car, Andrew may know if the
output shaft is 100% identical to the open T96, and if only
the tailshaft housing would swap on.
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:32:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Overdrive Options?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610232032.k9NKWDj01139@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
"
" On Mon, 23 Oct 2006, BUS-ENG wrote:
"
" > I am hoping someone on the list has personal experience
" > with installing an overdrive on an AMC 3-speed car.
"
" I have a T96 with OD, and the control cable and handle, in Los
" Angeles. I paid $75, it's yours for the same amount. Came out
" of a running car; it worked when removed.
"
" However it's for a torque-tube car, Andrew may know if the
" output shaft is 100% identical to the open T96, and if only
" the tailshaft housing would swap on.
i -believe- that's true. however, his car is a '69 american so it
doesn't matter.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:19:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Overdrive Options
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20061023211939.76706.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Tom J. said:
I have a T96 with OD, and the control cable and
handle, in Los
Angeles. I paid $75, it's yours for the same amount.
Came out
of a running car; it worked when removed.
However it's for a torque-tube car, Andrew may know if
the
output shaft is 100% identical to the open T96, and if
only
the tailshaft housing would swap on.
__________________
Well I have both a t96 with O/D sitting on my slab
here at home and a t-14 from my 76 Gremlin sitting in
the garage. I'll try to look at both pieces tonight
and let you know if I think the tailshaft from the
T-14 would swap onto the rear of the T96/OD.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:00:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Overdrive Options
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610232300.k9NN08k02813@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" Tom J. said:
"
" I have a T96 with OD, and the control cable and handle, in Los
" Angeles. I paid $75, it's yours for the same amount. Came out
" of a running car; it worked when removed.
"
" However it's for a torque-tube car, Andrew may know if the
" output shaft is 100% identical to the open T96, and if only
" the tailshaft housing would swap on.
"
" __________________
" Well I have both a t96 with O/D sitting on my slab
" here at home and a t-14 from my 76 Gremlin sitting in
" the garage. I'll try to look at both pieces tonight
" and let you know if I think the tailshaft from the
" T-14 would swap onto the rear of the T96/OD.
i'll bet this won't work. these trannies do not have separate
mainshafts and tailshafts, so you'd need to look for a t14 o/d
mainshaft. the o/d adapters are probably different lengths too, as i
was told a t14-o/d was the same length overall as a t96. and the t14
is not closely related to the t96; it looks much more like a t86 -
6-bolt top cover, etc.
i believe the o/d unit tailshaft is the same, and between open and tt
cars, with only the housing different.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:13:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Overdrive Options
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610231611590.2126@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Mon, 23 Oct 2006, Sandwich Maker wrote:
> i believe the o/d unit tailshaft is the same, and between open and tt
> cars, with only the housing different.
This is what I was asking; I wasn't suggesting disassembling
transmissions to swap tailshafts. That's not a casual back-yard
bench job.
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:37:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Pat Doyle" <javelinman@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] (no subject)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20061024003732.80ACC4AFC4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
let me try this again
didnt work 1st time
Hey all,
Just a quick heads up. I was at the local wal-mart today and saw
that Fresh Cherries has a 1:12 scale remote control Gremlin and Pacer.
Dont know if anyone has seen these yet, but thought I'd let everyone
know about them. They were $49.and kinda cool 'cept for the big Dubs on
them
Pat Doyle
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:19:05 -0400
From: "BUS-ENG" <jay@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Overdrive Options?
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <e5ea01c6f70a$66834390$0400a8c0@ts800>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Thanks, everyone, for the thoughts so
far!
As I did not know that there was an
O/D version of my T-14 ever
available, that may be the approach to
take with the least drama.
Anyone have a lead on where one could
be found, anywhere in the country. I
have cars yet to pick up in NM, CO and
MD, so shipping shouldn't be too bad to
any of those states, or, of course, to
Georgia, where I live.
Thanks again,
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandwich Maker" <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Overdrive Options?
> " From: "BUS-ENG" <jay@xxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> "
> " I am hoping someone on the list has personal experience
> " with installing an overdrive on an AMC 3-speed car.
> "
> " The tranny in my newly-acquired (from Mike Kindle in
> " LA) '69 American SW is going to need some work.
> "
> " While at it, I thought would be great opportunity to install
> " either (a) a transmission with a built-in OD, or (b) add
> " the Laycock unit to the T-14 in the car, or to the 150-T
> " that the FAQ lists as a good substitute.
>
> the laycock was never used with the t14, only with the t150 which
> won't fit the pre-'72 sixes. you could in principle adapt it,
> starting with say a 4wd jeep t14 mainshaft and extension case and
> making your parts from there.
>
> " I want to keep the column shift and to keep the car as
> " original as possible, but would like the quiet and economy
> " of an overdrive.
> "
> " Informed suggestions?
>
> not sure what you mean by 'transmission with a built-in OD', but if
> you have a 199 or 232 your only options are a t96 or t14, with or
> without the warner r10 o/d. t14-o/d were only available '68-9, not
> popular, and very rare now. it's the more desireable though as it's
> full synchro, and stronger than the t96 to boot.
>
> if you have a 232, your tranny now should be the t14.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:02:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Overdrive
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20061024020226.78308.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
I checked my T-96 with OD tonight and compared it to
he T-14 sitting on the garage floor. There is no way
the T-96 overdrive unit would adapt to the T-14.
There are major differences in dimensions and shifter
configuration.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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