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Today's Topics:
1. pulling an axle (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
2. New Owners of an '87 Eagle (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
3. Re: pulling an axle (Sandwich Maker)
4. AMC 14" Wheels (Ross Guistino)
5. 1959 Rambler radio wanted (Jay)
6. Pulling an axle (russ hathaway)
7. pulling an axle (russ hathaway)
8. Re: AMC 14" Wheels (Sandwich Maker)
9. Re: Pulling an axle (Mark Price)
10. pulling an axle (russ hathaway)
11. Re: AMC 14" Wheels (Ross Guistino)
12. Re: Pulling an axle (namdra@xxxxxxxx)
13. Re: AMC 14" Wheels (Sandwich Maker)
14. pulling an axle (johnny kazek)
15. Fw: Gremlin proportioning valve WANTED (Eddie Stakes)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:24:36 -0500
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] pulling an axle
To: <johnnykazek@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Just slip the axle right back in. You may have to rotate it once it's in
to line the splines up, but that's all. Nothing else was supposed to
come loose or out with it. Don't know what Russ was talking about as far
as loosening the caps in the differential. May be required on a
different design, but all the AMCs I've pulled just come right out after
a good tug. Once you get the axle splines lined up (it will slide in a
little more) you sill probably have to put a block of wood across the
end of the axle and give it a couple whacks to seat it. Loosening the
caps as Russ suggested might make the axles pull out/push in easier, but
it's not necessary.
The only exception is the late model Cherokee axles -- they have C-clips
in the diff that hold the axles in, the backing plates don't. C-clip
axles require the diff cover to come off and the clips removed.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:28:12 -0500
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] New Owners of an '87 Eagle
To: <wnlewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Neil, you can get new universal type seat belts from
www.julianos.com/seat_belts.html. They should fit in place of the
original Eagle belts with little modification, if any.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:25:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] pulling an axle
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610181425.k9IEPGA22570@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
"
" The only exception is the late model Cherokee axles -- they have C-clips
" in the diff that hold the axles in, the backing plates don't. C-clip
" axles require the diff cover to come off and the clips removed.
'90-up cherokee, wrangler, and all the newer jeeps. up to then the
dana 35 like the amc15 did not have c clips.
i don't know about the dana 44 either way, or the mopar 8.25".
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:35:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Ross Guistino" <rossg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC 14" Wheels
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I have a set of 14" AMC volcano cap wheels. What is the widest tire size
I can put on them? How about on 15"?
Also, does anyone have any 15" AMC wheels for sale?
Thanks.
Ross Guistino
NorCal AMCs
Santa Rosa, CA
'73 Gremlin 304 aka Vivo (with 3 bent rims!)
'75 Gremlin X aka Greta
'67 Caddy DeVille
'69 Bug
'98 Jetta Diesel
'02 Jetta Diesel
'03 S10 LS
Sadly, I had to finally retire my '93 Jetta III with 260K+ miles
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:53:45 -0400
From: "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 1959 Rambler radio wanted
To: "AMC LIST" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I am looking for a 59 Rambler Custom radio with pushbuttons. I would like it
to be cosmetically good, but it doesn't have to be in working order. This
is the BIG Rambler, not the American. Let me know if you have one or know
where to get one.
Jay in FL.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:32:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Pulling an axle
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Johnny; you don't have to remove the yoke, true, but
that seems to relieve some stress on the axle, making
it easier to remove them. I once banged away with a
hub about 5 times, then removed the yoke and it came
right off. So I just do that as a habit as it only
takes a minute plus it gives me a chance to see whats
happening inside that pumpkin. Also it gives me a
chance to drain the rear end grease.
The seal and bearing will come off with the axle.
Don't lose the shim, have the bearing/seal replaced
and if the axle is going to be used for performance
then have the hub and axle welded.
Either way take it to someone to have it retorqued,
your TSM or older Motors manual will show the proper
set back..........Russ
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:33:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] pulling an axle
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Sorry Johnny, that reply was meant for Tom.....Russ
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:35:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC 14" Wheels
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610181735.k9IHZ4v24827@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Ross Guistino" <rossg@xxxxxxxxx>
"
" I have a set of 14" AMC volcano cap wheels. What is the widest tire size
" I can put on them? How about on 15"?
it depends on the rim -width-. radials like wide rims and these are
probably 6", so i wouldn't go wider than about a 215/75 or 205/70.
going the other way, i've successfully run 185/75s on 6" rims.
" Also, does anyone have any 15" AMC wheels for sale?
do they have to be amc? if you're putting full wheelcovers on, nobody
will know they were mopars... and you can get steel 15x7s easy as
they were used on many '80s rwd cars and vans.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:42:19 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Pulling an axle
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I know it has been done for years but the last thing I would do is weld the hub to the Axle. Not something I would be willing to take a chance on with my classic car!
I'd rather have a hub spin again then snap off due to fatiqued metal from an improper weld.
Ever see a quarter panel after it ate a tire'n wheel???? It's lots easier to repair a spun hub. If you want to try anything to strengthen it have a second keyway cut in the hub and axle. The check the torque to make sure it is good after you run it and get it hot a time or two.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Johnny; you don't have to remove the yoke, true, but
> that seems to relieve some stress on the axle, making
> it easier to remove them. I once banged away with a
> hub about 5 times, then removed the yoke and it came
> right off. So I just do that as a habit as it only
> takes a minute plus it gives me a chance to see whats
> happening inside that pumpkin. Also it gives me a
> chance to drain the rear end grease.
> The seal and bearing will come off with the axle.
> Don't lose the shim, have the bearing/seal replaced
> and if the axle is going to be used for performance
> then have the hub and axle welded.
> Either way take it to someone to have it retorqued,
> your TSM or older Motors manual will show the proper
> set back..........Russ
>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:45:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] pulling an axle
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Last word on this- forgot to mention checking the end
play. The TSM will show you how to do this or an older
Motors manual. Don't rely on Clymers or Chiltons as
they seem to be short on this info. Inserting the axle
isn't hard as the splines go into each other easily
and as stated they may resist a little as the excess
grease needs to be squeezed out. Another reason to
remove the cover so you can guide the axle better.
They are not fragile critters in there, but if you
just stick in the axles and pound away you may chip a
spline, it's happened before (who me? I never!!).
Why not pull both axles, replace all the bearings and
seals at the same time, adjust your rear brakes and
clean things up real nice. Paint the axle a purty
black and get one of those purty chrome or finned
covers. You know the spring bushings are right at your
elbow and I bet the shocks need replacing.
What the heck, toss in a locker......Russ
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:47:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Ross Guistino" <rossg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC 14" Wheels
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Thanks for the info, Andrew. I currently am running standard generic rims
with full wheelcovers (I call them hubcabs). However, if I'm going thru
the expense of changing the rims and tires, I would like to try and find
some wheels, preferably AMC, but if not, then something that would go well
with Vivo's bright orange body.
Here's a link to what she looks like right now:
http://www.sonic.net/WWW_pages/rossg/NorCal/VivoFianl2.JPG
Thanks.
Ross
On Wed, October 18, 2006 10:35 am, Sandwich Maker wrote:
> " From: "Ross Guistino" <rossg@xxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " I have a set of 14" AMC volcano cap wheels. What is the widest tire
> size
> " I can put on them? How about on 15"?
>
> it depends on the rim -width-. radials like wide rims and these are
> probably 6", so i wouldn't go wider than about a 215/75 or 205/70.
> going the other way, i've successfully run 185/75s on 6" rims.
>
> " Also, does anyone have any 15" AMC wheels for sale?
>
> do they have to be amc? if you're putting full wheelcovers on, nobody
> will know they were mopars... and you can get steel 15x7s easy as
> they were used on many '80s rwd cars and vans.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:15:41 -0500
From: namdra@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Pulling an axle
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Mark & all,
Another problem with welding the hub to the axle is that the hub and
the axle are made out of two different materials which makes welding them
together very hard or impossible if you would want it to last. I did have
the hub and axle welded once at the dragstrip just to get the Rebel
Machine home, but them replaced the hub and axle with a good one.
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:42:19 -0700 Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
writes:
> I know it has been done for years but the last thing I would do is
> weld the hub to the Axle. Not something I would be willing to take a
> chance on with my classic car!
> I'd rather have a hub spin again then snap off due to fatiqued
> metal from an improper weld.
> Ever see a quarter panel after it ate a tire'n wheel???? It's
> lots easier to repair a spun hub. If you want to try anything to
> strengthen it have a second keyway cut in the hub and axle. The
> check the torque to make sure it is good after you run it and get it
> hot a time or two.
>
> --
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
>
>
> ---- russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Johnny; you don't have to remove the yoke, true, but
> > that seems to relieve some stress on the axle, making
> > it easier to remove them. I once banged away with a
> > hub about 5 times, then removed the yoke and it came
> > right off. So I just do that as a habit as it only
> > takes a minute plus it gives me a chance to see whats
> > happening inside that pumpkin. Also it gives me a
> > chance to drain the rear end grease.
> > The seal and bearing will come off with the axle.
> > Don't lose the shim, have the bearing/seal replaced
> > and if the axle is going to be used for performance
> > then have the hub and axle welded.
> > Either way take it to someone to have it retorqued,
> > your TSM or older Motors manual will show the proper
> > set back..........Russ
> >
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:00:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC 14" Wheels
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610181900.k9IJ0D325527@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Ross Guistino" <rossg@xxxxxxxxx>
"
" Thanks for the info, Andrew. I currently am running standard generic rims
" with full wheelcovers (I call them hubcabs).
i always use 'hubcap' to refer to the little ones that just cover the
hub and lugs.
" However, if I'm going thru the expense of changing the rims and
" tires, I would like to try and find some wheels, preferably AMC, but
" if not, then something that would go well with Vivo's bright orange
" body.
"
" Here's a link to what she looks like right now:
"
" http://www.sonic.net/WWW_pages/rossg/NorCal/VivoFianl2.JPG
looks like a brochure shot!
non amc, but i think the mopar rallies now being reproed would look
good, and i'd guess you could fit the 15x8s with something like
235/60s all around. see http://www.stocktonwheel.com/mopar.htm
i originally had their type 41s in mind, but maybe body-colored 42s
would look distinctive too.
i don't think there are any 15" wheelcovers that'd look good on a grem
- they're made for ambo wagons mostly - and i don't think the little
no-name van/taxi mopar hubcaps would look so good either, so that lets
mopar steel wheels out.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:07:05 +0000
From: "johnny kazek" <johnnykazek@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] pulling an axle
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Thanks much to all for the help/advice.
I referenced the placement of the axle with cotter pin hole and paint
marker before I pulled it, put it back in, couple light taps and it
seems ok. Will be able to test tomorrow and if spinning with no
problems I'll put in the new hub, torque to 250 with friend's torque
wrench minding 3/16" hub clearance, check endplay and if all's cool
I"ll take it to a shop to have retorqued.
Possibly another stupid question: Initial torque to attach hub with
or without wheel on? Start it without then put tire on?
When this works out I'm buying all you guys a beer-
Johnny
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:35:33 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fw: Gremlin proportioning valve WANTED
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Thomas Beeler <ursa@xxxxxxxx>
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Tom below is looking for a brake proportioning valve if anyone has one for a
Gremlin or also knows what interchanges feel free to comment and thanks in
advance to all who might reply.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Beeler" <ursa@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Gremlin proportioning valve
> Eddie,
>
> Do you have any brake proportioning valves (NOS or lightly used) to fit a
> 1973 Gremlin?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom Beeler
> Indianapolis
>
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