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Today's Topics:
1. Re: AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine (Jim Blair)
2. sic transit gloria ramblers (Sandwich Maker)
3. Re: Not the AM Macaren (Jim Blair)
4. Re: Not the AM Macaren (Jim Blair)
5. What A Rip Off (Mr. AMC)
6. Re: New Charity AMX pictures posted (BaadAss73Gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx)
7. Half a v-8 (Widiker, John D)
8. Re: 1974 Javelin AMX sold for $37,400
(BaadAss73Gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx)
9. Re: What A Rip Off (Mark Price)
10. ONE LAST PLEA? WAS /Re: sic transit gloria ramblers (Mark Price)
11. Re: Half a v-8 (Sandwich Maker)
12. Re: Half a V-8 (John Elle)
13. A home is needed for these parts. (John Elle)
14. Re: Half a V-8 (Sandwich Maker)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 08:12:02 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F11BDD1DC8895B4F4767330AC100@xxxxxxx>
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A: AFAIK, the 215 shared bellhousing pattern with the nailhead. (Landrover
has them up to 4.0L now) My aunt had the earlier version (I think it was a
201? Aluminum block Buick V8) that rotted through the freeze plugs behind
the timing chain. I watched her change them when I was @ 8 years old. She
was driving until they took her license away at age 85 due to alzheimers
(she drove fine, but couldn't remember where she was going)
I'll be seeing the old bird on monday when we check out another bird in
Canada. (If my cousin hasn't sold her Skylark, I may get a peek at the bell.
We had to disable the car so she wouldn't drive it. Only way I could foil
her formidable mechanical skills still was to cut the wire to the condenser
so it looked like it was still hooked up) She retired years ago as a 4th
grade teacher and aside from a healthy belief in a higher power and living
the good life, she always said "If you think you can or you think you can't,
you're right".
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine
To: <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Date: Thursday, October 5, 2006 12:03 PM
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Now this would be interesting to research!
I have the Nailhead adapter setup for a 327. If it would turn
out
Rangerover
went to any of the overdrive trans in a nailhead pattern! I
could then
maybe
adapt a overdrive to a Gen I engine! Cool!
NAW! Can't be that easy!
------------------
Hmmm... the Rover V-8 is the old Buick 215 aluminum V-8. I don't
know
what pattern it used, the B-O-P or SBC. It could have the
nailhead
pattern, but I doubt it. I've never seen one of those out of a
vehicle
though. You might ask on some Range Rover boards what pattern is
still
used, and what transmissions. Might be Borg-Warner model 65 s or
Aisin-Warner derivatives. Could even be an HD version of the
AW-4 as
used behind the Lexus V-8 (in fact that's very likely!).
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:14:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: [AMC-List] sic transit gloria ramblers
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610071514.k97FEqG07546@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
my half-finished '65 american hotrod project car and my picked-over '66
american parts car are now officially dead.
mark price's deal fell through, and i've just now gotten the city's
official notice. i have until friday to remove the cars, so unless
lightning strikes, off to the junkyard they go.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 08:28:08 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Not the AM Macaren
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F258329D8E322E1C8CB550CAC100@xxxxxxx>
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That "Pacer" is a toon car!
http://evenements.caradisiac.com/salon-paris/Des-chinois-sans-complexes-840
Chrysler will be dumped so they can go "bankrupt" and lose the high
healthcare costs. (just like the other companies are doing by "trimming fat"
on the bottom rather than the top)
Jeep makes most of it's sales in trucks, so what are they doing? Turning
their "trucks" into cars! They are building more Soccer mom vehicles rather
than making something capable of being driven on the "real" roads out there
(which requires offroad suspesion to keep people from spilling their lattes)
As for the 1/2 V8s, IH tried that and somewhat failed (althought they were
making Scouts and not cars to put them in)
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 08:30:41 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Not the AM Macaren
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fevenements.caradisiac.com%2Fsalon-paris%2FDes-chinois-sans-complexes-840&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:43:42 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] What A Rip Off
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
MacsOrphanCarGroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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After adding a billet radiator overflow tank ad modifying another into a
windshield washer tank I decided that I needed a billet radiator cap to
finish the look. The same company that made the overflow tank also
listed a 13 lbs billet cap for 36$. I have an old radiator so I don't
want a 13 lbs cap. It appeared to be an octagon shaped regular radiator
cap like the one I have on the car pressed into a billet aluminum cover.
So I bought it. Upon removing the cap from the billet cover I found the
cap itself to be the same cheap made in Mexico 5$ after market cap I
have on the car. So I actually paid 31$ for a billet radiator cap cover,
what a rip off. I pressed in the 6 lbs cap and machined off the "Cool
It" logo and am in the process of polishing it now. As Elmer Fudd said
"I was wobbed"
"Doc"
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 18:14:25 +0000
From: BaadAss73Gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] New Charity AMX pictures posted
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
> You can now see the Charity AMX in all it's primered glory! The website is
> http://www.mattsoldcars.com/charityamx.
>
> Matt
>
>
> mhaas@xxxxxxx
> Cincinnati, OH
> http://www.mattsoldcars.com
> 1967 Rambler American wagon
> 1968 Rambler American sedan
> ===============================================================
> According to a February survey of Internet holdouts released by
> UCLA's Center for Communication Policy, people cite
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Good,the whole car was sanded back down,i always thought that painting it piece by piece was retarded.
Bart
73 Gremlin 360/T10 project
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 14:16:15 -0400
From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Half a v-8
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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A buddy of mine had a 1963 Tempest he used to park next to my 64s when
he got the chance, one of mine had a 326 and the other a 389 (from the
outside they looked identical) and his had the half of a 389 4 cylinder.
Seeing them next to each other was always a hoot. The 4 cyl was quite
literally as if someone had just lopped off 1 bank and changed as little
as possible otherwise. It had some seriously weird castings and I loved
looking at that thing. It's on my list of engines I love and will play
with again at some point.
One thing I've always loved about both AMCs and Pontiacs is the common
external dimensions of the engines, it's a dream for engine swaps. I do
wish that they had kept a common flange though on the amc cranks for the
transmission fitment though, pre or post BW/Chrysler change over is a
pain in the butt. Pontiacs used different crank journal sizing for the
428 and 455 that is less of a pain but still sometimes is irritating.
Pontiac common blocks: 326, 350, 389, 400, 421, 428, 455
(301 is the only oddball and universally viewed as a boat anchor)
~J
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 18:17:38 +0000
From: BaadAss73Gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 1974 Javelin AMX sold for $37,400
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Friday, October 6, 2006 07:16 AM
> From: Jeffrey.Bohler@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> In Hemmings Muscles Machines auction section, it tells the story of a
> 1974
> Javelin AMX, 401 4-speed, that recently sold for $37,400 at Russo and
> Steele's Monterey auction. I hope no one on the list actually paid
> that,
> but what I find interesting is that the article says that Russo and
> Steele
> portrayed that of the 4,9XX Javelin AMX's produced in 1974, less that 25
> of
> them were delivered with the 401, 4-speed combination.
>
> Would someone please verify that this is false? Anyone know how many
> were
> actually produced with the 401 4-speed?
>
> I am thinking they abbreviated the description for the article, and that
> maybe less than 25 were produced with the drive train, color, options,
> etc,
> that I might believe.
> -----------------------
>
> Under 25% 401 four speeds is most likely a fact. Only real driving
> enthusiasts want sticks, and there aren't that many in the US, and there
> weren't in the 70s. Drag racers prefer autos due to consistency and less
> drivetrain impact. Since the mid 60s most cars produced in the US have
> had automatic transmissions. In the early 60s most had three speed
> manuals, with autos optional. Four speeds were always in the minority in
> US produced cars, though sticks did make a bit of a come-back in small
> to mid sized cars in the late 80s and the 90s. All full size cars are
> autos, and most mid sized even now. Well over half of small cars are
> automatics as well, probably no more than 25% are sticks.
>
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WOW someone got took of bout 20K
Bart M.
73 Gremlin 360/T10 project
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 12:56:32 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] What A Rip Off
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: "Mr. AMC" <AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <21386767.1160250992020.JavaMail.root@web29>
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Be Cool should change their name to Be fool'd.
expensive overpriced bling!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- "Mr. AMC" <AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> After adding a billet radiator overflow tank ad modifying another into a
> windshield washer tank I decided that I needed a billet radiator cap to
> finish the look. The same company that made the overflow tank also
> listed a 13 lbs billet cap for 36$. I have an old radiator so I don't
> want a 13 lbs cap. It appeared to be an octagon shaped regular radiator
> cap like the one I have on the car pressed into a billet aluminum cover.
> So I bought it. Upon removing the cap from the billet cover I found the
> cap itself to be the same cheap made in Mexico 5$ after market cap I
> have on the car. So I actually paid 31$ for a billet radiator cap cover,
> what a rip off. I pressed in the 6 lbs cap and machined off the "Cool
> It" logo and am in the process of polishing it now. As Elmer Fudd said
> "I was wobbed"
> "Doc"
>
> _______________________________________________
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> or go to http://www.amc-list.com
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 13:09:17 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] ONE LAST PLEA? WAS /Re: sic transit gloria
ramblers
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <8745448.1160251757019.JavaMail.root@web29>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Well, Crap!
I'd hoped it could be saved.
ANYONE store this thing in tha area till Thanksgiving?????????
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> my half-finished '65 american hotrod project car and my picked-over '66
> american parts car are now officially dead.
>
> mark price's deal fell through, and i've just now gotten the city's
> official notice. i have until friday to remove the cars, so unless
> lightning strikes, off to the junkyard they go.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:25:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Half a v-8
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610072025.k97KPtw08579@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>
"
" []
" Seeing them next to each other was always a hoot. The 4 cyl was quite
" literally as if someone had just lopped off 1 bank and changed as little
" as possible otherwise. It had some seriously weird castings and I loved
" looking at that thing. It's on my list of engines I love and will play
" with again at some point.
"
" []
"
" Pontiac common blocks: 326, 350, 389, 400, 421, 428, 455
" (301 is the only oddball and universally viewed as a boat anchor)
true of olds too: 330, 350, 403 low deck; 400, 425, 455 high deck.
pin size and height is the same for all but 455s, so theoretically if
the cylinders were thick enough you could overbore a 425 for 403 slugs
and get a 475 without even going oversize.
after seeing a cute '63 skylark at a car show last time i visited my
aunt and uncle i've been thinking... graft '65-9 corvair full irs
[might be just a clever sheetmetal surgery], swap in injected rover
4.4 for original 215, back it with t5...
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 15:44:24 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Half a V-8
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <000501c6ea62$27316140$07dd0d82@john1>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
SNIP
after seeing a cute '63 skylark at a car show last time i visited my
aunt and uncle i've been thinking... graft '65-9 corvair full irs
[might be just a clever sheetmetal surgery], swap in injected rover
4.4 for original 215, back it with t5...
SNIP
Aw! What a few did not pick up on, this engine was also used for the V8
MGB, and those folks
have got some really clever rebuild information for the Buck motor as
applied to MG applications.
For what it is worth.
John.
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 15:56:13 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] A home is needed for these parts.
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <000a01c6ea63$cdb941d0$07dd0d82@john1>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
A young 80 year old is cleaning out his garage of assorted hobby parts,
probably looking for some cheese or something like that. Sort of the
same thing I am going to have to do shortly with my garage. In any case
following is the description of parts as given to me;
53-55 Nash Hudson A/C condenser. (good working condition)
53-55 Nash Hudson A/C compressor. Tecsumse I think.
Very large and works good.
Generator, rebuilt for 1953 Hudson.
Now, any one who questions the application of these parts, I know that
a 53 Hudson is a true Hudson and a 55 Hudson is a re-badged Nash. That
is why they call them Hashes. Also Hudson used the big Flat head I-6 and
Nashes used a variety of Flat head and overhead valve I-6's in those
years.
As did the later Hudsons which were re-badged Nashes along with the
use of the big flat head I6. Now just to add to the confusion, lets not
forget the use of the 320 cu in Packard V8 in both cars in 1955.
So!
If some one knows more than I do and is interested in obtaining these
rare
and wonderful components, contact me off line and I will give contact
info out.
John.
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 18:59:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Half a V-8
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610072259.k97MxO009080@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
"
" SNIP
" after seeing a cute '63 skylark at a car show last time i visited my
" aunt and uncle i've been thinking... graft '65-9 corvair full irs
" [might be just a clever sheetmetal surgery], swap in injected rover
" 4.4 for original 215, back it with t5...
" SNIP
" Aw! What a few did not pick up on, this engine was also used for the V8
" MGB, and those folks have got some really clever rebuild information for
" the Buck motor as applied to MG applications.
" For what it is worth.
iirc the tr8 also used it, and the morgan plus8... rover used
derivatives in some aussie vehicles, backed with the bw35 automatic...
there's a roverheads list out there for fans of this engine in all its
incarnations. that's where i got my notes for beefing the little
aluminum warner auto, from an australian member.
________________________________________________________________________
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internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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