Re: [AMC-List] AMC-List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 19

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>   1. 1974 Javelin AMX sold for $37,400 (Jeffrey.Bohler@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
>   2. 'Hydro-Stick' Turbo Gremlin ?? (Brien Tourville)
>   3.  production numbers (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
>   4. Intake Manifold (Nick ALFANO)
>   5. Re: AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
>   6.  1971 Turbo Gremlin (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
>   7.  1974 Javelin AMX sold for $37,400
>      (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
>   8. Re: 1971 Turbo Gremlin (Sandwich Maker)
>   9. Re: AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine (Sandwich Maker)
>  10. AMC Sighting (JOE FULTON)
>  11. Re: AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine (Mark Price)
>  12. Re: AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine (Sandwich Maker)
>  13. Not the AM Macaren (Mahoney, John)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 07:16:59 -0500
> From: Jeffrey.Bohler@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [AMC-List] 1974 Javelin AMX sold for $37,400
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> In Hemmings Muscles Machines auction section, it tells the story of a 1974
> Javelin AMX, 401 4-speed, that recently sold for $37,400 at Russo and
> Steele's Monterey auction.  I hope no one on the list actually paid that,
> but what I find interesting is that the article says that Russo and Steele
> portrayed that of the 4,9XX Javelin AMX's produced in 1974, less that 25 
> of
> them were delivered with the 401, 4-speed combination.
>
> Would someone please verify that this is false?  Anyone know how many were
> actually produced with the 401 4-speed?
>
> I am thinking they abbreviated the description for the article, and that
> maybe less than 25 were produced with the drive train, color, options, 
> etc,
> that I might believe.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:34:12 -0400
> From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] 'Hydro-Stick' Turbo Gremlin ??
> To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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>
>
>
> From: "Clarence Milstead" <cmilstead@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] 1971 Turbo Gremlin
>
>
> I have a couple of questions that I need help/advice on. I see people
> talking about a "nailhead" hydramatic transmission for earlier model
> cars,
> will this transmission fit my 1971 bell housing and if it will where
> is
> the best place to get one? I'd like one with OD if possible. Since I
> installed the 3.55 gears I'm getting some spring wrap-up on a fast
> start.
> Will just adding another leaf to the springs solve the problem?
> Thanks.
>
> Clarence Milstead
>
> 1971 Turbo Gremlin
> 1991 Chevy Caprice
> 1996 Ford Custom Van
>
>
>
> ===     ===
>
>
> someone here can advise on
> setting up the rear with Links -
>
> The old 'Hydro-Stick' trannies were
> hugely popular with Custom builders -
> saw "heard" one leaving the gate
> @ the Toll Booth on the Mid Hudson Bridge -
> they are damn cool !
>
>
>
>        =Bt=
>  milnersXcoupe
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:37:17 -0500
> From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List]  production numbers
> To: <superglider@xxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Date: Thursday, October 5, 2006 10:19 AM
> From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
>
> Reading the current issue of AIM got me to thinking about production
> numbers.  The Javelins sold in Aussie land were stamped at Kenosha and
> shipped as a "kit" to Australia.  Do they count as Kenosha numbers or do
> they have a foreign build plate?  Likewise, do the cars produced in
> foreign countries (VAM et al) count as part of a total production run?
> VAM produced a Gremlin based car (forgot what they called it) and are
> they reflected in the production numbers for AMC?  I doubt it.  I had
> always assumed that the AMC production numbers for Kenosha and Brampton
> reflected total production but might there be a lot more AMC or AMC
> derived products out there than what we think?
> ----------------------
>
> The "knocked-down" kits were produced at Kenosha. The body numbers count
> against whichever body plant they came from -- Kenosha or Milwaukee. The
> kits DO NOT have a final assembly number (the unlabeled number at the
> bottom of the door tag), so don't count as Kenosha production. The
> production sheets count them separately, and they have separate serial
> numbers prior to 66. I'm not positive how the serial/VIN was handled
> after 1966. I haven't paid any attention to late 66 or later Aussie cars
> -- maybe someone over there can send us the VIN from a 67-71 AMI car?
> The K-D kits have the same plates from the factory as US made cars.
> There is no trim number for cars sent without upholstery (all or at
> least most of the AMI and South African assembled cars -- in fact, I
> know of no K-D cars that were sent with upholstery, though some of the
> early ones likely were).
>
> The VAM cars were totally built in Mexico, though some of the early ones
> may have been K-D cars from Kenosha. Bodies and all were built in the
> Mexicao City plant, so they don't count in US production at all. Neither
> do the Argentine cars. Those may have different ID plates in different
> locations as well. I think the VAM cars correspond to US specs as far as
> the door tags, the IKA cars have a different plate -- not sure of
> location off the top of my head, but I've seen the plate. Can't remember
> tag configuration right now, but it's similar to the Renault assembled
> cars. Renault was a partner with IKA later, that's the only plate I've
> seen (no pre-Renault ones). Speaking of Renault, the cars assembled by
> Renault in Belgium were K-D cars IIRC.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 06:46:22 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] Intake Manifold
> To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Joe,
>
> Yes, you can use the valley pan with an internal oil
> line.  I usually mark the location of the fitting
> between cylinders 6 and 8.  Then take a hole saw or a
> hole punch and cut out a 1" hole in the gasket in that
> location.  Now you put the gasket in place with the
> front section under the fitting in the junction block,
> then screw the back fitting into the block through
> that hole. You can also cut a V out of the pan to
> clear the line but I like the hole method better.  It
> is much cleaner.  Also, there should be no reason the
> tin PCV baffle that attaches to the under side of the
> intake to interfere with the oil line.  Why is yours
> hitting this line?  I have installed these many times
> on engines with the internal line with no problem.
>
> Nick Alfano
> Alfano Performance
> Kenosha, WI. 53142
> 262-308-1302
> 262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
>
> ---- Joe <jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Simple question..added to this. MY wife's new 401
> was
>> assembled(not by me) with am aluminum Offy intake
> and
>> Mr Gasket/Felpro... paper type intake gaskets. There
>> is NO metal pan on the bottom of the manifold either
> .
>> PCV hole is wide open to the lifter valley. NOW..the
>> engine had the  lifter valley line kit installed. Is
>> there a way to slot...etc..the tin valley pan gasket
>> so i can install it? The engine is NOT in the car
> yet.
>> I've heard it will suck oil like mad without the
>> valley pan gasket. Will the tin pan thats supposed
> to
>> be riveted to the intake being missing be a issue
>> also? Supposedly NO room for it with the lefter
> valley
>> line kit? Direct email would also be greatly
>> appreciated!! Thankyou,Joe
>
>
> Alfano Performance
> Kenosha, WI. 53142
> 262-308-1302
> 262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:44:09 -0500
> From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine
> To: <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Date: Thursday, October 5, 2006 12:03 PM
> From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Now this would be interesting to research!
> I have the Nailhead adapter setup for a 327. If it would turn out
> Rangerover
> went to any of the overdrive trans in a nailhead pattern! I could then
> maybe
> adapt a overdrive to a Gen I engine! Cool!
>  NAW! Can't be that easy!
> ------------------
>
> Hmmm... the Rover V-8 is the old Buick 215 aluminum V-8. I don't know
> what pattern it used, the B-O-P or SBC. It could have the nailhead
> pattern, but I doubt it. I've never seen one of those out of a vehicle
> though. You might ask on some Range Rover boards what pattern is still
> used, and what transmissions. Might be Borg-Warner model 65 s or
> Aisin-Warner derivatives. Could even be an HD version of the AW-4 as
> used behind the Lexus V-8 (in fact that's very likely!).
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:06:00 -0500
> From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List]  1971 Turbo Gremlin
> To: <cmilstead@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
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> The "nailhead" or universal TH-400 pattern won't fit your car. It's an
> old Buick pattern that has a shallow bell housing. GM sold it as a
> "universal" trans because the shallower bell made it easy to use an
> adapter.
>
> No one makes an adapter for the pre 72 AMC six to any other
> transmission. If you need a stronger trans, the only thing you can do is
> install a Borg Warner model 11 or 12, or even a model 40 if you have the
> air cooled 37 now (probably have a 40 though). The 37 and 40 are nearly
> the same, except that the 37 is air cooled and the 40 is liquid cooled.
> IIRC the 37 has provisions for an external cooler though. You can run a
> cooler and that will help a lot.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:17:07 -0500
> From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List]  1974 Javelin AMX sold for $37,400
> To: <Jeffrey.Bohler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
> <092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3D019460BE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Date: Friday, October 6, 2006 07:16 AM
> From: Jeffrey.Bohler@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> In Hemmings Muscles Machines auction section, it tells the story of a
> 1974
> Javelin AMX, 401 4-speed, that recently sold for $37,400 at Russo and
> Steele's Monterey auction.  I hope no one on the list actually paid
> that,
> but what I find interesting is that the article says that Russo and
> Steele
> portrayed that of the 4,9XX Javelin AMX's produced in 1974, less that 25
> of
> them were delivered with the 401, 4-speed combination.
>
> Would someone please verify that this is false?  Anyone know how many
> were
> actually produced with the 401 4-speed?
>
> I am thinking they abbreviated the description for the article, and that
> maybe less than 25 were produced with the drive train, color, options,
> etc,
> that I might believe.
> -----------------------
>
> Under 25% 401 four speeds is most likely a fact. Only real driving
> enthusiasts want sticks, and there aren't that many in the US, and there
> weren't in the 70s. Drag racers prefer autos due to consistency and less
> drivetrain impact. Since the mid 60s most cars produced in the US have
> had automatic transmissions. In the early 60s most had three speed
> manuals, with autos optional. Four speeds were always in the minority in
> US produced cars, though sticks did make a bit of a come-back in small
> to mid sized cars in the late 80s and the 90s. All full size cars are
> autos, and most mid sized even now. Well over half of small cars are
> automatics as well, probably no more than 25% are sticks.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:54:15 -0400 (EDT)
> From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 1971 Turbo Gremlin
> To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <200610061454.k96EsFE03651@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> " From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" 
> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " The "nailhead" or universal TH-400 pattern won't fit your car. It's an
> " old Buick pattern that has a shallow bell housing. GM sold it as a
> " "universal" trans because the shallower bell made it easy to use an
> " adapter.
> "
> " No one makes an adapter for the pre 72 AMC six to any other
> " transmission.
>
> jeep did, though i have no idea how many were made; they advertised
> the th400 as available with the 232 from '65 on.
>
> " If you need a stronger trans, the only thing you can do is
> " install a Borg Warner model 11 or 12,
>
> this you're likelier to find.  they were used with the 196 before the
> aluminum warner, and in at least one of the early/mid '70s postal jeep
> batches.
>
> " or even a model 40 if you have the
> " air cooled 37 now (probably have a 40 though). The 37 and 40 are nearly
> " the same, except that the 37 is air cooled and the 40 is liquid cooled.
> " IIRC the 37 has provisions for an external cooler though. You can run a
> " cooler and that will help a lot.
>
> these can be beefed quite a lot.  i have some notes from australia
> where it was virtually the only auto available for some cars even with
> small v8s, and they call for some bw51 and bw65 parts...  the only part
> that should be hard to get here is a valve body for the aussie falcon,
> though perhaps either jag or bmw - both of which used aluminum warners
> up through the '80s - used something comparable.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
> internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:03:45 -0400 (EDT)
> From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine
> To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <200610061503.k96F3jb03695@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> " From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" 
> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> "
> " I have the Nailhead adapter setup for a 327. If it would turn out 
> Rangerover
> " went to any of the overdrive trans in a nailhead pattern! I could then 
> maybe
> " adapt a overdrive to a Gen I engine! Cool!
> " ------------------
> "
> " Hmmm... the Rover V-8 is the old Buick 215 aluminum V-8. I don't know
> " what pattern it used, the B-O-P or SBC.
>
> neither; like the nailhead, it predates the wide use of the b-o-p.
> bellhousings with the gm std tranny pattern are hard to get.  if it
> had the sbc or bop this wouldn't be an issue.
>
> " It could have the nailhead pattern, but I doubt it.
>
> it doesn't.
>
> " I've never seen one of those out of a vehicle
> " though. You might ask on some Range Rover boards what pattern is still
> " used, and what transmissions. Might be Borg-Warner model 65 s or
> " Aisin-Warner derivatives. Could even be an HD version of the AW-4 as
> " used behind the Lexus V-8 (in fact that's very likely!).
>
> rover used export bw35s behind the v8 in cars, down under at least.
> it wouldn't surprise me if the 4sp turns out to be an aw4; volvo uses
> it in their rwd cars.  but l-r is owned by someone else now [bmw?
> ford?] and finally dropped the old buick motor a few years ago.  i
> also wouldn't be surprised if the 4sp auto came along with the motor
> from their new daddy.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
> internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:52:00 -0700 (PDT)
> From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] AMC Sighting
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <20061006155200.57572.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> On my way to work this morning northbound or U.S. 101
> north of Salinas I saw an auto transport with classic
> cars on board... a yellow Matador coupe was on the
> bottom row.
>
> Anybody we know?
>
> Joe Fulton
> Salinas, CA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 9:17:57 -0700
> From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <3024892.1160151477506.JavaMail.root@web23>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Yeah, figures an AOD to bolt up to a GenI would be too easy!
> Standard trans is not any easier as the bells are too deep for most if not 
> all non AMC trans. Pretty much leaves a hang-on OD as the only choice.
>  I know nailhead standard trans bells are out there and could be bolted to 
> the Adapter ring, but I doubt it would solve the depth issue.
>  HHHMMMMM!
> --
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
>
>
> ---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> " From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" 
>> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> "
>> " From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> "
>> " I have the Nailhead adapter setup for a 327. If it would turn out 
>> Rangerover
>> " went to any of the overdrive trans in a nailhead pattern! I could then 
>> maybe
>> " adapt a overdrive to a Gen I engine! Cool!
>> " ------------------
>> "
>> " Hmmm... the Rover V-8 is the old Buick 215 aluminum V-8. I don't know
>> " what pattern it used, the B-O-P or SBC.
>>
>> neither; like the nailhead, it predates the wide use of the b-o-p.
>> bellhousings with the gm std tranny pattern are hard to get.  if it
>> had the sbc or bop this wouldn't be an issue.
>>
>> " It could have the nailhead pattern, but I doubt it.
>>
>> it doesn't.
>>
>> " I've never seen one of those out of a vehicle
>> " though. You might ask on some Range Rover boards what pattern is still
>> " used, and what transmissions. Might be Borg-Warner model 65 s or
>> " Aisin-Warner derivatives. Could even be an HD version of the AW-4 as
>> " used behind the Lexus V-8 (in fact that's very likely!).
>>
>> rover used export bw35s behind the v8 in cars, down under at least.
>> it wouldn't surprise me if the 4sp turns out to be an aw4; volvo uses
>> it in their rwd cars.  but l-r is owned by someone else now [bmw?
>> ford?] and finally dropped the old buick motor a few years ago.  i
>> also wouldn't be surprised if the 4sp auto came along with the motor
>> from their new daddy.
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
>> internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
>> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:39:54 -0400 (EDT)
> From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <200610061639.k96GdsE01656@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> " From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " Yeah, figures an AOD to bolt up to a GenI would be too easy!
> " Standard trans is not any easier as the bells are too deep for most if 
> not all non AMC trans. Pretty much leaves a hang-on OD as the only choice.
> "   I know nailhead standard trans bells are out there and could be bolted 
> to the Adapter ring, but I doubt it would solve the depth issue.
> "   HHHMMMMM!
> " --
>
> this might be exactly what you need!  there are nailhead bells with
> the gm standard tranny pattern...  this would open up a whole world of
> tranny options!
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
> internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:00:28 -0400
> From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] Not the AM Macaren
> To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>
> It's two weeks since I last moved the cheese where AMC mice don't please, 
> but after a Met opening (too little time for a Mets game), a Tenerife trip 
> (to see what will be in Atlanta) and a train from Spain to an auto show 
> before a plane, I'm "home" --- where, if it's not about Vespas and trams,
>
> http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22749-2374531,00.html
>
> it's about Charity AMXs and Javelin Trans Ams.
>
> It's time for AMC to win: it only takes plans.
>
>>>
> little if any press exposure, little if any solicitation of donations
>
> very little exposure inside the hobby.
> <<
>
>>>
> problem with this project is that the AMC community has been burned
> <<
>
>>>
> main reasons I hesitate to get Involved
>
> there should have been a detailed project plan
>
> charity(s) identified should have had some knowledge of this as well
> <<
>
> So AMC fans said.  20 years after death.  AMC Goals?  AMC Leadership?
>
> Sad.
>
> Lani Guinier, Lynn Sherr, Fareed Zakaria, and Drew Carey this weekend; 
> Moshe Safdie on 10/11 for a final 411; not much time, but enough to make 
> mice men.
>
> So I'll ask: Do you do the AM Macarena?
>
> It may be a new Marlin Matador Machine,
>
> http://tinyurl.com/h4fwr
>
> or it'll make a Mopar 300 mambo go mad.
>
> Don't ask if American Motors can dance.
>
> Listen to the music.  Feel a beat now?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/l47wv
>
> A "Pacer" did not take Paris by storm,
>
> http://tinyurl.com/gs5gu
>
> but a "Gremlin" was, in a way, reborn,
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ryofs
>
> (with more doors; Toyo sees a way up!)
>
> http://tinyurl.com/l47wv
>
> and Chrysler may yet again be re-torn.
>
> "Chrysler has lost $4 billion over the past five years against a $32 
> billion accumulated profit for the group.  This might be time to 
> reconsider whether Chrysler should remain part of the group in its current 
> form.  We believe seeking a partial or entire spinoff or an industrial 
> alliance with another party could be a route to higher and more 
> predictable earnings.
>
> (Deutsche Bank report...)
>
> Chrysler now suffers from "reliance on light trucks, scant presence in 
> markets outside North America, and high labor costs" --- including $2 
> billion/year spent on health care.
>
> [Which was $6,102 in 2004 (averaged for every American) --- and thus 50% 
> more than the residents of the country with the next-highest health care 
> bill, Switzerland ($4,077); more than double the average for all 
> industrialized nations ($2,546) that provide health care for all their 
> residents for less money than the US spends while we have ~46 million 
> uninsured.  In 1970, we paid about the same for health care as Europe did: 
> our medical costs have risen faster than anywhere else.  Are Americans 
> healthier?  No??  Why not?  Physicians say America has more high-tech 
> medical equipment than the other countries: Edward Langston, new chair of 
> the AMA says, "There are more MRIs in Detroit than in all of Ontario" but 
> Gerard Anderson, head, Center for Hospital Finance and Management School 
> of Public Health at Johns Hopkins says, no: "We have about the same number 
> of MRIs and CT scanners as do Canada, the UK, and France.  We have the 
> same number of doctors, doctor visits, hospitals and i!
> npatient days at hospitals.  The difference is we pay two to 2-1/2 times 
> more for virtually identical services."  Pay for a Royce, deliver a 
> Rambler?  Bad.
>
> The average U.S. physician earned $180,000 in 2004; in Canada, only 
> $100,000 (USD).  One of every seven dollars spent in the US goes for 
> health care --- 15.3% of 2004 GDP: in Canada it's 9.9%; in Japan, 8.0%. 
> By 2015, we will pay $12,320 per person (in 2006 dollars) if nothing 
> changes: America will be as viable as Nash-Hudson-AMC stores.]
>
> Dodge, like Chevrolet, must have Asia build it cheap, reliable, and 
> profitable small cars now.  Nitro is hot, but if 75% of today's 
> Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep sales are in trucks, Hornet won't be American-made. 
> Can America fall as far as Detroit?
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/allanm/sets/374377/show/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/allanm/sets/1243631/show/
>
> America forgot?  America stopped learning and achieving?  America spends 
> twice as much on education Japan does.  Got results?  American houses are 
> twice the size they were in 1970.  Why?  American families have been 
> shrinking in size for 50 years.  The much-smaller-town home of the 
> much-smaller "small car" company hasn't decayed as much as Motown: where 
> Nash once was, big housing and a small new museum rose,
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rcktmanil/99148284/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rcktmanil/99148155/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/yamadel/52341595/
>
> and while one of many (#1) buildings Nash built still serves Kenoshans,
>
> http://www.kenoshacvb.com/pdf/KenoshaLibraryPark.pdf
>
> as do the other buildings (#5, 6, 9, 25) that building Nash cars built
>
> http://www.kenoshacvb.com/pdf/KenoshaThirdAvenue.pdf
>
> which is something to remember even if you started (or think) "small."
>
> http://www.michmarkers.com/startup.asp?startpage=L1397.htm
>
> http://www.geo.msu.edu/geo333/flint-industry.html
>
> http://www.pbase.com/papajim_48306/image/55127757
> http://www.pbase.com/papajim_48306/homes_of_the_auto_pioneers
>
> (Remember also, when you're done, no one may know your name...)
>
> http://www.msu.edu/~daggy/cop/bkofdead/obits-na.htm
>
> "If he wants to stop Toyota, Ghosn is just going to figure out how to 
> improve his companies' marketing, the weak spot. As for GM and Ford, they 
> will have to save themselves."
>
> (Flint set that mousetrap on 10/4/06)
>
> Ford/Chevy matte black rat rod too "old" for you?  I saw the new Paris 
> "big bad."
>
> http://www.arbitragecars.com/gt.php
>
> Saw the new Avenger too.  Magnum opus or magnum lite?  It's not the new 
> Concord.
>
>>>iirc the '66 dodge charger with 318 was 52/48% f/r...
>
> If the '70 Charger 318 was 54/46 (and iyrc) that says something on the 
> weight added by fastback sails-and-glass rear (and, since the 1967 318 
> mill was 55 lbs. lighter, would suggest that a second-year Charger was 
> even closer to the current Charger's "near" 50/50 ideal):
>
> http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/dynobase.html
> http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/weight.html
>
> http://www.dodge.com/charger/control.html
>
>>>
> remember the early pontiac tempest?  it, along with the new little
> buick skylark and olds f-85, were built on the corvair platform '61-3,
> but the tempest - front engine and all - also used the 'vair transaxle
> and swingarm suspension.
> <<
>
> Knudsen and Delorean did NOT desire to use Corvair's swing axle design*, 
> which was why the Pontiac Polaris died: Cole refused to fix it.  When a 
> rope-drive Tempest got its clone of the Corvair rear suspension, it was 
> over the objections of both Bunkie and John: a far cry from "their" car.
>
> (*after seeing Winchell flip one of the earliest test-track prototypes)
>
> AFA "on" A-body platform: kinda, sorta, but different.  Wheelbases, too.
>
> Also don't overlook how GM's V-8-into-I-4 adventures later affected AMC.
>
> And, in a way, that was too bad.  One of the reasons AMC finally failed.
>
> Half a 360 = 180.  Is that too big?
>
> Half a 304 = 152.  Is that "A" OK?
>
> Or for late '70s, better than 121?
>
> Or in early '80s, better than 151?
>
> http://faculty.concord.edu/chrisz/hobby/80-DataBook/B12.pdf
>
> What if AMC hadn't waited for 150?
>
> http://xjconnection.jtv.cc/engine_I4_XJ.gif
>
> What if AMC had moved -its- cheese?
>
> AMC might still be -building- AMCs!
>
> Bite on that.
>
> Once, some amateur designers were on this AMC list: now long gone?
>
> If not, from 300-6000 euros await those who can innovate.  Please.
>
> http://www.peugeot-concours-design.com/
>
>
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