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Today's Topics:

   1. www.naxja.org (Brien Tourville)
   2. Re: AMC Hot Rod (farna@xxxxxxx)
   3. Re: rambler hot rod (farna@xxxxxxx)
   4. Re: Charity AMX (farna@xxxxxxx)
   5. Re: rambler hot rod (Peter Marano)
   6. Headlight malfunction /Lights out (walt)
   7. 82 Spirit 5-speed plus car (aspirin)
   8. Intake Manifold installation (Nick ALFANO)
   9. headlight malfunction (DIMMER SWITCH) (d stohler)
  10. SC Rambler converible clone in LA. (Nick ALFANO)
  11. Charity AMX is moving (Nick ALFANO)
  12. Re: rambler hot rod (Sandwich Maker)
  13. Re: rambler hot rod (Tom Jennings)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:16:00 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] www.naxja.org
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From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] (no subject)
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That should be www.naxja.org


===    ===

 
yes yes,.......... left the 'a' off....... 

that $50.00 trans was a 2wd unit.


        =Bt=
  milnersXcoupe



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:31:23 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Hot Rod
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
	<100220061231.2972.4521069B0009A78C00000B9C21603762230E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
	

I'm not sure the diff would run long upside down. The gears wouldn't be riding in oil with the pinion near the top. But then there are axles made that way -- wonder if they have anything in them to pull oil up top? Probably not -- should be plenty splash oiling with the ring gear running in oil. 

To change rotation on a Corvair (or VW/Prsche) transaxle is easy -- put the ring gear on the opposite side. The way those are made they flip over easy. I didn't know if an adapter was needed or not, just that SBCs have been mated to the Corvair transaxle. 

--
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
(free download available!)

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
" The rotation for the front axle is the same as for the rear. The
" transfer case is chain driven over to the side, so the front driveshaft
" rotates the same as the crankshaft. You can't put the engine in the
" middle facing back and run an angled drivesahft to the front. But nice
" try!

but you could do something like take a front axle, pull the tubes off,
and flip the chuck over before pressing the tubes back in...

iirc built-in caster/camber would prevent flipping the entire axle.

" A Corvair transaxle (uses SBC pattern) or some front drive transaxle
" (Premier ZF auto?) might work, but would require an adapter. 

the transaxle doesn't have an sbc pattern directly, but kitcar
builders found out early on how to modify it for front input.  someone
[crown iirc] then went on to make a sbc adapter.  the setup was used
in fiberglass porsche 917 knockoffs, for one.


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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:33:42 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
	<100220061233.4393.45210726000321C90000112921603762230E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
	

> " From: farna@xxxxxxx
> " A Corvair transaxle (uses SBC pattern) or some front drive transaxle
> " (Premier ZF auto?) might work, but would require an adapter. 

But the Corvair rear does not steer!

---

Just weld/bolt the tie rod ends to the frame. Then you can adjust toe on the rear axle! 

--
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
(free download available!)


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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:20:45 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Charity AMX
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
	<100220061320.17231.4521122D0007D3D70000434F21603762230E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
	

Todd, (and all list members):
SOMEONE has to make final decissions based on discussions both on and off the list -- that's the main coordinator's job. I "listen" and participate (when necessary) in the discussion on the list first, then move it off list with the most involved parties once the discussion gets "boiled down" to mostly a few people. I've made few (if any) uni-lateral decissions. Once a decission has been reached I then announce it to the list. I try not to influence the project any more than anyone else, though I do realize that my opinions sometimes carry more weight because of my position. I give Tom Benvie's opinion a little more weight than others because he not only donated the car and many parts, but has other vested interests in seeing the project through. No one should feel they can't contradict me! It might not do any good (a joke!!), but I do consider all opinions.

I had already expressed my desire for the car to have at least one more stop before going back to Tom for completion on the list, and got a couple people willing to take it. If there had been no one after a couple weeks, it would have been sent back to Tom. The reason I wanted another group to at least have the *opportunity* (the week or two wait) was because that was the whole spirit of the project -- to get as many AMC groups/clubs to participate as possible. Tom's main concern was that the car get finished in a timely manner. He volunteered to take it to get it done. If no one had stepped forward I'd have made arrangements to send the car to Tom. I certainly had no problem with Tom finishing the car! 

Tom had no problem with John Widiker finishing/working on the car. I had a three way conversation with Tom and John concerning the matter. I suggested it go back to Tom for final detailing after John did what he could, but Tom suggested John go ahead and finish it and then send to auction -- there was no need for Tom to have the final hands-on if the car were completed. So John's going to look the car over when he gets it and plans on finishing it if he can. Should be doable, but he wanted to see the car before committing to finishing. If he can't finish it, the plan is to send it over to Tom for final detailing and disposition. 

There has been no open discussion on WHERE to send it yet. Tom want's to see if go to Scottsdale, I don't think the car will be up to the caliber expected there and won't bring any more there than at a closer auction. I have offers to pay for at least part of the transportation, but if it goes to Scottsdale it would need to be no reserve due to the cost of transportation and storage if it didn't sell. I'd much rather the car go with a reasonable (say $10K) reserve to an auction where it would be more practical to transport and store the car until another auction if necessary. I had suggested Atlantic City in February, but have to concede that on further research that probably wouldn't be a great one for this car. It's a prestigous enough auction, but it's not well known except for the immediate area. There's a big Kruse auction in Auburn Indiana in May. I'm hopeful that will be an acceptable compromise. We do have a committment from Kruse to waive all fees at one of their au!
 ctions,
 and thanks to Ralph Ausman (for searching the archives disk he makes) I have the name of the contact there.

There isn't much need for ANY discussion on where the car goes right now. A lot depends on John's work schedule and what needs to be done (when it will be finished). I was reserving discussion on where it should go until it was closer to being finished, or at least until John got to look at the car and give his opinion, but you did bring it up... ;> 

Even if John thinks it can be done in short order, there could be delays with suppliers and he has paying customers who may need to come first on occasion. So let's not count chicks before the eggs hatch! 


--
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
(free download available!)

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 15:52:33 -0500
From: "Todd Jesme" <jesme@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Charity AMX is moving!

Frank,
Based on what appeared to be about a 99.9% approval for getting the car back
to Tom Benvie ASAP, to finish for the BJ auction in Scottsdale this coming
January, you seem to have made an almost unilateral decision to do the
opposite.?.  I'm sure you've had dialogue with Mr. Benvie about this in the
last couple of days, so I'm anxious (as I'm sure others are) to hear his
comments (from him).  If he is on-board with this latest news, then I guess
all is good.


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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:39:11 -0500
From: Peter Marano <PMarano@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <4521167F.5030004@xxxxxxxxx>
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>
>Except for the oil pump and distributor (vacc. advance,
>lubrication), I can't think of a reason not to run the engine
>the other direction (requires new cam of course).
>
>  
>
Two things come to mind:

Bearing journals are polished in the direction of rotation (or at least 
they used to be).  The oil seal journal on the rear of the crankshaft 
has directional knurling.  I think the front seal has a directional 
pattern molded in.

The new cam would require a reverse rotation distributor drive gear (and 
driven gear) which would turn the distributor and oil pump in the 
'normal' direction. This would allow the thrust on the distributor drive 
to hold the camshaft in the block.  Reverse rotation SBC are common 
enough that an engine builder should know what to do.  Is the SBC cam 
gear the same as the inline AMC six?  If a cam grinder can't cut the 
reverse rotation gear on an AMC cam a gear drive would reverse the 
rotation of the cam.

Peter Marano
Kenosha WI



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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:41:26 -0400
From: "walt" <amc4me@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Headlight malfunction /Lights out
To: <AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <000e01c6e628$75728e80$3201a8c0@computer>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Hello everyone.I had this problem with my Hornet sportabout.It was the
dimmer switch,both times.First one was an original replace just from age,and
corrosion,second time was due to pure corrosion due to seeping salt ,snow
mixture at the connection.That replace included new plug,and dimmer
switch,and fixing hole in firewall,floorpan seam.Both times it happened i'll
never forget,because it only happens at night,BAM LIGHT'S OUT.  Walt
Upstate paradise N.Y.



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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:20:32 -0600
From: aspirin <aspirin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 82 Spirit 5-speed plus car
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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  I have an 82 Spirit GT with a 258 and a 5-speed, if you want the 
tranny, it comes with a nice carrying case shaped like a Spirit. Rockers 
have rust, otherwise body good, interior dirty but decent, except 
drivers seat. Has some new parts, needs some work. email me if you want 
any other info. I want $900 for the car, complete, but its located in 
Western Canada.



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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:41:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Intake Manifold installation
To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, amc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Matt,

The valley pan gasket has locating detents on the
corners that push into the holes on the head to hold
the gasket in place when you are installing intake. Do
that and you should be able to get a couple bolts
started.

You mentioned something in your post that raises a
question with me.  You said, "I can't get the valley
pan to line up properly in BETWEEN THE GASKETS and the
new manifold" making me think you are trying to
install a some other gasket along with the valley pan
at the same time.  Is that correct?  The valley pan is
the gasket so if you are trying to install that along
with lets say the paper style Mr Gasket intake gasket,
you will have a problem.

Nick Alfano
Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-308-1302
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends


Message: 5
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:53:08 -0400
From: Matthew Gracie <amc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Intake manifold installation.
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <451E92E4.8030001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I'm trying to install an Edelbrock Performer intake on
a 360. The car 
is
a 1977 Matador Coupe.

I've got the old intake and everything off, and the
regular intake
gaskets are affixed to the heads. The problem I'm
having is that I 
can't
get the valley pan to line up properly in between the
gaskets and the
new manifold; it slides around every time I get the
manifold on top of
the engine.

Is there some trick to this that I'm missing? Do I
still need the 
valley
pan, even with the regular gaskets in place? Could
someone who's done
this offer me a little guidance?

--Matt



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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:43:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] headlight malfunction (DIMMER SWITCH)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20061002154340.24202.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

check your dimmer switch. more times than not, that is the problem. especially if its the one on the floor you tap with your right toe. old fords are BAD for them going bad. had them go bad more than once. my rambler has had one go bad also. i say check that first. 

 		
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:51:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] SC Rambler converible clone in LA.
To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <20061002155114.82269.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Tom,

That car was on E-bay a few weeks ago.  I am not sure
if it sold or not but it looked like a well done car. 
It does have a 6cyl in it.  Would be a sweet ride to
own and cruise in the summer.  My daughter would love
it.  

Nick Alfano
Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-308-1302
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends

Message: 12
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:04:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] (no subject)
To: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<Pine.LNX.4.64.0609301755070.19549@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Parked on Hyperion here in Los Angeles (Silverlake)
was a FINE
looking car -- 69 American convert, decked out as an
SC/Rambler
clone. Very nice work!

Correct A-scheme paint and hood scoop; interior was
not
'correct' but a practical and sharp grey and black.
Top was
down. Unknown manual trans (440 American console?).
Had all
the SC/ nomenclature; on the rear blacked-out panel
was proper
"SC/Rambler" on the right and "4.0 L high output" on
the left.

Cragars all around and big but not too much rubber.
Lower than
stock, but not scraping. All and all a really
spotless, well
thought out, well executed car.

Had AMO front plate.

Sweet!



Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-308-1302
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends


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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:22:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Charity AMX is moving
To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <20061002162223.10972.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

This is one of the main reasons I hesitate to get
involved in an effort like this.  One person
starts/donates a car for a cause.  Others decide what
the cause should be.  The car changes hands from one
person/group to another without a clearly defined
project plan and management structure.  Now the people
involved are fighting over how it should be handled. 
No matter who was going to do what to the car, there
should have been a detailed project plan in which who
ever had the car at a stage in the project, knew what
needed to be done and that they agreed to own certain
action items.  

Now the car is in primer and not painted.  Who knows
all the details of how the car was stored in primer,
what is under it and so on.  Every body shop I have
ever dealt with will tell you the same thing.  They
refuse to paint someone else body and primer work. 
Why didn't Zion paint it?  Now the car is going to
John W. (nothing against you John at all) when Tom
Benvie has said publicly that he will finish all or
most of the work by the end of the year on a car that
started out as his.  Who owns the title to this car? 
If this car was truly a hobby car being created for
the good of some charity organization, then there
should be an appointed steering committee that decides
the fate of the vehicle and who does what to it not an
individual (nothing against you Frank just in
general).  The charity(s) identified should have had
some knowledge of this as well.  Every project I have
ever been on is designed this way and done so for a
reason.  There is a client who has a need, a project
team that fulfills that need, a project manager that
oversees the time-line/milestones and project team,
and a steering committee to make the high level
decisions.  Without this structure, most project will
fail as this one has so far.

Just my $.02

Nick Alfano
Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-308-1302
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends

Frank,
Based on what appeared to be about a 99.9% approval
for getting the car 
back
to Tom Benvie ASAP, to finish for the BJ auction in
Scottsdale this 
coming
January, you seem to have made an almost unilateral
decision to do the
opposite.?.  I'm sure you've had dialogue with Mr.
Benvie about this in 
the
last couple of days, so I'm anxious (as I'm sure
others are) to hear 
his
comments (from him).  If he is on-board with this
latest news, then I 
guess
all is good.

Todd (preparing for the deep-freeze) Jesme

-----Original Message-----
From: amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx
[mailto:amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx] On 
Behalf
Of farna@xxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 1:23 PM
To: AMC-List
Subject: [AMC-List] Charity AMX is moving!

Thanks to the aide of list members, the Charity AMX is
moving! John 
Widiker
will be taking over "on-site coordinator" duties while
the car as at 
his
shop in Auburn Hills, MI. He's going to look over the
car and finish it 
if
he feels he can. I'm reserving saying more than that
until he sees the 
car
and determines exactly what is needed. Jack Barncord
is planning on 
picking
up the car and transporting to John. I'm reimbursing
him for expenses 
from
the funds I still have reserved for the car. John may
be asking the 
list for
help later.

I want to take this opportunity to thank Dave DeLabio
for seeing that 
the
body work got done to the car. It's in primer and
ready for paint, will 
need
just a little block sanding and touch-up before color
is sprayed on. 
There
was a bit more body work than anticipated, and it took
longer than 
expected,
but everything has turned out for the best. Zion Auto
Body did a great 
job! 

With any luck this car will get completed over the
winter and be 
auctioned
early in 2007! 

--
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
(free download available!)


Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-308-1302
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends


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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:31:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610021631.k92GVDu02268@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

" From: Peter Marano <PMarano@xxxxxxxxx>
" 
" 
" >Except for the oil pump and distributor (vacc. advance,
" >lubrication), I can't think of a reason not to run the engine
" >the other direction (requires new cam of course).
" 
" []
" 
" The new cam would require a reverse rotation distributor drive gear (and 
" driven gear) which would turn the distributor and oil pump in the 
" 'normal' direction. This would allow the thrust on the distributor drive 
" to hold the camshaft in the block.  Reverse rotation SBC are common 
" enough that an engine builder should know what to do.  Is the SBC cam 
" gear the same as the inline AMC six?  If a cam grinder can't cut the 
" reverse rotation gear on an AMC cam a gear drive would reverse the 
" rotation of the cam.

dunno about the sbc, but the chevy inline 6 gear is cut the other way
- the chevy cam is gear driven - and it fits.  remember the hei swap!
all you'd have to do is get the cam cut right [gear and all] and a
reverse rotation starter.  and if they exist for sbcs it should be
doable for this engine.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought


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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:44:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610020942460.19549@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, Peter Marano wrote:

> Bearing journals are polished in the direction of rotation (or at least 
> they used to be).  The oil seal journal on the rear of the crankshaft 
> has directional knurling.  I think the front seal has a directional 
> pattern molded in.

This is the sort of detail that kills well-meaning projects... :-)
> 
> The new cam would require a reverse rotation distributor drive gear (and 
> driven gear) which would turn the distributor and oil pump in the 
> 'normal' direction. 

That was my thought.

> ... a gear drive would reverse the 
> rotation of the cam.

And that's probably the best solution of all.

I really doubt I'll even think more on a reverse rotation
motor, but it's interesting, and thanks for the tips on the
subtle stuff!



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