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Today's Topics:
1. Test (Arnie Goodrich)
2. AMC FORUM.COM - amc-list - (Brien Tourville)
3. Hi all! (Brian Seeley)
4. Re: Hi all! (Sandwich Maker)
5. AMC Forum (fwd) (Tom Jennings)
6. AMC Forum (JOE FULTON)
7. Re: AMC Forum (fwd) (BaadAss73Gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx)
8. Gas Gauge & Inst. Light Problem Finally Cured!!!!!!! (Mr. AMC)
9. Re: AMC Forum (fwd) (Mark Price)
10. torqu tube Q??? (johnny kazek)
11. Up in the air (Mahoney, John)
12. Re: AMC Forum (fwd) (Tom Jennings)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:35:09 -0400
From: "Arnie Goodrich" <arnieg@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Test
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Test
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:23:18 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC FORUM.COM - amc-list -
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:57:14 -0700
From: "Andy&Tonja&Phoebe Ray" <raysinvegas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Obviously we need a new forum, since the new/old one is officially
gone.
Do we have some one who will actually administrate it and not BAIL at
the
first sign of trouble? I need an AMC/Rambler fix. This list is OK,
but I
only receive 75% of the posts listed. What say you?
=== ===
well....... unless Brandon is sitting back & snickering over
a Latte' @ Starbucks' > we should know soon enough -
I agree - and - perhaps we could salvage the AMCforum.com for parts
since it's rework from the previous looked good.
I do not subscribe to the 'build and empire phobia' - > if it can be
resurrected and run with little input by interested parties [ like
the folks who now run this List.......... hint - hint.........] I'd
rather this to occur >
I mean really,........ would you want to talk with people who are
into AMC and have lots of AMC's > or a guy who collects EDSELs -
really........... what's the 'logic' to that anyway.......... beats
me !
milnersXcoupe
NEW YORK
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:31:43 -0400
From: Brian Seeley <s.seeley@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Hi all!
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <A3FB1C36-AE45-4B99-809A-34A59BBADCCA@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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This is only a test... :)
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:33:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Hi all!
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200609221533.k8MFXit22934@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Brian Seeley <s.seeley@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" This is only a test... :)
howdy neighbor!
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:56:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC Forum (fwd)
To: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609220852380.31445@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Got this nice note from an AMC Forum member, and friend of the
admin. I suggested that the silence on what happened is all
that has people freaked out about; AMC Forum is well-loved and
it's return highly anticipated.
Everyone with online AMC resources ought to at least have an
email contact for each other, so in times of trouble we can have
'em post status, so people don't think we're dead!
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:27:17 +0000
From: Ian Webb <ijwebb@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: AMC Forum
Good morning Tom,
I am not a member of the list, but I wanted to forward this
message to you regarding the AMC Forum. Please feel free to
forward to post to the list if could for me. I would post myself,
but I have never had much luck with subscribing to the list!
The forum is not dead, and no one has bailed on it. The forum
is switching servers and receiving some software upgrades. The
amount of files contained took several days alone on a high-speed
connection to transfer alone. There is a lot more work than
just dragging a few folders to a new server.
I am in contact with the Administrator and he tells me it should
be back up in a few days. He apologizes for the delay.
Many people seem to forget that the AMC Forum is run by an
individual who asks nothing in return. Every time there is
a technical problem or hiccup people start jumping all over
it, which I think is wrong. The outage has been longer than
anticipated, but we can't forget that the people who run these
sites have lives to live, bills to pay, jobs to go to and any
number of other obligations.
Thanks,
Kirkwood
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:23:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC Forum
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060922162338.7812.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Over on the Rebel Machine group someone reported that
Brandon was changing service providers and the process
was taking longer than expected, so the AMC Forum may
not be dead. My advice: Don't give it last rites
until the body is cold.
On a related note, a really great Chevy truck site is
www.stovebolt.com. If you've ever had a 72 or
earlier chevy truck or ever wanted one (I bought a new
72 Jimmy and had it in Alaska for three years.) it's a
real resource. And the galleries and stories are
great. I may sound like Mahoney here, but it's a
shame someone doesn't build an AMC site just like
stovebolt.
Regards,
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:45:27 +0000
From: BaadAss73Gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Forum (fwd)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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-------------- Original message --------------
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
> Got this nice note from an AMC Forum member, and friend of the
> admin. I suggested that the silence on what happened is all
> that has people freaked out about; AMC Forum is well-loved and
> it's return highly anticipated.
>
> Everyone with online AMC resources ought to at least have an
> email contact for each other, so in times of trouble we can have
> 'em post status, so people don't think we're dead!
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:27:17 +0000
> From: Ian Webb
> To:
> Subject: AMC Forum
>
> Good morning Tom,
>
> I am not a member of the list, but I wanted to forward this
> message to you regarding the AMC Forum. Please feel free to
> forward to post to the list if could for me. I would post myself,
> but I have never had much luck with subscribing to the list!
>
> The forum is not dead, and no one has bailed on it. The forum
> is switching servers and receiving some software upgrades. The
> amount of files contained took several days alone on a high-speed
> connection to transfer alone. There is a lot more work than
> just dragging a few folders to a new server.
>
> I am in contact with the Administrator and he tells me it should
> be back up in a few days. He apologizes for the delay.
>
> Many people seem to forget that the AMC Forum is run by an
> individual who asks nothing in return. Every time there is
> a technical problem or hiccup people start jumping all over
> it, which I think is wrong. The outage has been longer than
> anticipated, but we can't forget that the people who run these
> sites have lives to live, bills to pay, jobs to go to and any
> number of other obligations.
>
> Thanks,
> Kirkwood
> _______________________________________________
> AMC-List mailing list
> AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list
>
> or go to http://www.amc-list.com
Thats bovine scatology!
Bart
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:40:52 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] Gas Gauge & Inst. Light Problem Finally
Cured!!!!!!!
To: BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx,
MacsOrphanCarGroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <4753-45142024-2009@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII
Tomorrow will be 3 years and around 15,000$ later I will have my orange
Hornet. The undamaged original spare orange door is not on the car
yet.The regulator in the original door is repaired. The replacement door
needs the inside panels painted black as it has the same puke tan paint
on it before it can be replaced with the slightly damaged door on the
car. The inst. panel is back in the car. The new "Standard" brand
headlight switch which a member of Bart's group told me was still
available new (18$ ) seems to have fixed the dimming problem on the
factory inst. lights. I feel sure if I put in a dome light bulb I am
sure my dome light problem would be cured also. Also my gas gauge
problem is cured. I seems one of the 2 nuts that hold the gas gauge to
the printed circuit of the dash panel was more than hand loose. This
seems to have caused a partial contact at times when the gauge worked
but was not
accurate and also why it didn't work at all at times. I still replaced
gauge with one out of a Gremlin I got with a bunch of parts I bought
from Davis at Bart's group. The gauge now seems to work but I will have
to check it's accuracy. Being the PIA that I am these last 2 items were
last on the long list of nit picking repairs that have annoyed me about
this car since I bought it. Now all the factory options and systems work
like when the car was new. I was 60 years old on the 15'th of this month
so I conceder this a late birthday present. Since I rarely drive at
night the dome light and inst lights were no real problem, but not
working properly was a thorn in my side. the gas gauge annoyed me every
time I looked at he inst. panel and had to calculate how much gas I had.
The cigarette lighter even works. I am a happy man. Brad it was a
pleasure to speak to you on the phone this morning.
"Doc"
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:46:24 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Forum (fwd)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <701539.1158950784446.JavaMail.root@web25>
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Could be, I for one apreciate what these guys do to maintain these sites.
However a posting to members in general, they have our e-addresses!, would be polite! I know that adds work load, but, No notice other then the one we receievd when we went to the site leaves many to speculate what really occured! It would be easier to forewarn than to post explain!
Huh? Did I just say that outloud?!!!!!!!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- BaadAss73Gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
>
> > Got this nice note from an AMC Forum member,
BIG SNIP!
-list
> >
> > or go to http://www.amc-list.com
>
> Thats bovine scatology!
> Bart
> _______________________________________________
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> AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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>
> or go to http://www.amc-list.com
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:12:18 +0000
From: "johnny kazek" <johnnykazek@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] torqu tube Q???
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY119-F2739CFCB57284C9624340CA5210@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"
"If it's a sheared hub there's an easy way to find out -- just take
the hub caps off the rear and look at the end of the axle when someone
tries to move the car. If the nut turns the hub is sheared."
You guys are great, you've all saved me from many hours of frustration
and grief! I think I'm a member for life here now, haha. Thank you
J. Johnson, Frank and everyone else who posted for this.
Passenger side rear, spinning freely, that's where the squeek was
from. So now I'll hit the books on replacing/repairing this along
with the brakes, and try not to bug you guys too much along the way.
Thanks! -- Johnny
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:26:07 -0400
From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Up in the air
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>>
The air springs were an option in 59 and 60 only. The air springs will come out with the low rate coils.
<<
Only? We all need to Ramble with X-ray vision
http://mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B9376.jpg
for a Magic Carpet Ride (with both Steppenwolf and Dinah Shore playing) back to when new concepts were in the air. Don't get off this Boukhara in 1968 or 1967 or even in 1958. Fly back to 1952, when Fred Covin and Les Milliken let the genie out of the bottle of GM. Hover briefly, then fast forward to 1957 and trade this broadloom for broadcloth. We found the mythical city of Eldorado. We are booked into a sweet suite at the Eldorado Brougham.
There is an air "spring" above each wheel of the bed, with a domed air chamber, rubber diaphragm, and piston. A central air compressor feeds the system: each dome is continually adjusted by valves and solenoids for load and road conditions. We are in for a smooth and level night. Enjoy the "Cadillac" of hotels. Only 704 beds available for '57-'58; even fewer (only 200) in '59-'60 --- no doubt due to more "common" re-design.
Don't say, "This bed's nothing special; it's just a Buick Sleepmaster with another name!" because if we do, the staff may know that we are unworthy (and they may put something bad in our soup): for the other divisions beds were of "closed" construction; the Brougham is "open" taking air from the outside. Breathe deeply; enjoy the gentle night.
Urk. Clunk. Ouch! What happened?
Too complex, too costly, too leaky?
The air domes leaked; the bed fell!
We demand coil-spring replacements!
Now fly to 1961: the General Manager, those of the other GM divisions, and the hoteliers who host the Ford and Chrysler chains, switched air with General Dynamics --- no, with Goose Down. Air bags in the Edsel were abandoned by those in the Buick (optional front and rear in '58; rear only in '59 --- except on the exceptional beds [there always are exceptions: that's what makes savvy travelers smart, evidently] where they were standard --- which we probably don't care to see near AMC.
If we care to see where "Air Poise" was under a '58 hood, look here:
http://www.kingoftheroad.net/buick/source/buick_194.html
(if we care to see the condition of cars AMC fans should clamor more for, click "next" or "home" and ask ourselves if -Ambassador- doesn't deserve the same degree of care and attention and even <gasp> respect; it's not merely the cars that keep AMC "downtrodden" --- it's the AMC people and attitude, too...) that its erstwhile "competition" now earns.
If we care to see how "rare" a ride air was at the beginning of the jet age, look at how few '59 "LevelFlite" Dodge beds were built. But seven-tenths of one per cent! 1065 exactly. Maybe $127.55 was too expensive. Maybe the thought of, "If it fell flat in a Packard, how can it work in a Mopar?" was too recent.
If we care to see a Dearborn mullet (independent in front, live air in the rear) that was to be optional in Ford's new 1958 Thunderbird Lodge (the architect used no French curves; just his T-square), we'll need to keep flying. To the same place as the '58 Rambler Ambassador was found. Tulsa? Glasgow? Cape Town? Berlin? Bangkok? Bombay? Mumbai? No, dummy (mirror!): to the state of confusion in the place called the State of California. To LaLaLand!
http://jpg1.lapl.org/spnb01/00007053.jpg
http://www.you-are-here.com/building/1918_ambassador.html
http://tinyurl.com/zpagz
Karnak said: "May a Coconut fall in your Grove but not dent your AMC."
http://www.defensetech.org/images/Carson-Karnak.jpg
He drove his Rambler Classic home to check the "Weather-Eye" forecast
http://tinyurl.com/kheoc
It's "A-OK!" Let's load the Air-Coil Ambassador wagon and sail away.
http://www.boatingsf.com/photos/031105/DSC_0196_edited-1.jpg
So, where are we now? The T-bird air bags, the planned '58 Ambassador air suspension, and the GT. Spirit of Karnak will be found just flying around in history. Things that were, things that weren't, things that won't be remembered if we don't "receive" AMC history soon. Got that?
Technology has put the best flights of '58 fancy in nice new bottles,
http://www.lexus.com/2007ls_prelaunch/index.html
http://www.mbusa.com/microsite/s-class/index.jsp
so despite the fact that American Motors did not pump itself up only to be embarrassed in the '58 deflation (but Rambler still floated the idea that it could fly on air --- during the recession that actually kept it from crash-landing into the ground three decades before it finally did),
http://mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B30590.jpg
good ideas never die: all they need is more work 'til they work better.
Too bad that sort of good idea still doesn't seem to work for AMC fans.
>>
Obviously we need a new forum, since the new/old one is officially gone. Do we have some one who will actually administrate it and not BAIL at the first sign of trouble? I need an AMC/Rambler fix. This list is OK, but I only receive 75% of the posts listed. What say you?
<<
If "receive" means "get" (as in: "I got it in my in-box"), why not read it off the AMX files website? "Cleaner" [looking], "faster" [skimming], "easier" [navigating], and "archive-ier" [if searching]; if "get" means "comprehend" (as in: "I got it in my head"), why not read the other 25% and encourage 25% or 50% or 500% more AMC/Rambler fans to read and write and learn in one vibrant, growing AMC community online? I'm not hitting anyone's comment; I'm just asking everyone to think hard about -impact-.
Why does AMC/Rambler require two/three/four/more forums to make it more rewarding? If "weakness in [sales and profit] numbers" caused the old AMC to fail, would not "strength in numbers" permit a new AMC to sail? Onward and upward? Online and on the street? On steel springs and on air suspension? Why doesn't AMC get together and -go- somewhere? Why does AMC still sit around as time and opportunity pass it by? Why does AMC take whatever from whomever in wherever for forever and give little back? Who looked up Hornet "Kashmir" fabric this week and posted info? Who even read my question? Who wants to be part of such a "community?"
Who finds any reason to drive the last two (of seven owned, since that squeaks AMC fans' wheels: two ordered, one bought off-the-lot-new, one bought demo [Cassini of dealer's sister who worked part-time answering his phone] and three more bought in varying stages of "usual" AMC used- car condition [with more than a usual amount of Bondo in used Big-3s]) HPOF AMC cars in my barn if AMC never stops looking Lost in LoserLand?
Who wouldn't want to chose from two one-owner AMC cars to drive a few miles to the store, the library, or the post office on some sunny day? I sure would; I'd claim them as "daily drivers" (I walk the mile or so to catch a "Park-and-Ride" bus to downtown; free exercise/free reading time/free gas) and sell my Nissan (if I don't, I might trade it on an '07 Infiniti --- the G35 coupe still does a classic AMX number on me!) and insure my "new" Buick (isn't a decade-old Roadmaster Estate Wagon with fewer than 2,000 miles technically still "new"?) as a "main" car. I rent weekend specialx for most of my major running-around, anyway.
Who wouldn't want to be the funny old (53?) guy with those funny old ('70s?) cars that he put-puts around in occasionally and then spends half the afternoon washing, wiping, and covering? Who wouldn't want something more than "trailer queens" by Pierce, Packard, Auburn, and Buick (five cared for --- and insured by --- museums --- four on the other side of the country) that have become more "investments" [ha!] than "enjoyments") in the -home- garage to gaze upon infrequently.
I last -drove- one of my AMCs in 1994; I last -saw- my AMCs in 2004; I'm running on memories and hopes and dreams: not even on gas fumes.
A '72 Buick Estate Wagon with over three times the miles on my '71 Ambassador recently sold for $16,500; the AMC owls would screech at $12,000, they'd hoot at $9,000, and they'd peck at a $6,000 asking.
Who will ever fly with such a willful flock of fickle-billed birds?
Who will wrap arms with the make that makes its mark as the marque everyone loves to laugh at because its cars and its collectors are, well, so darn weird? Can't get along with others, can't get along amongst themselves, can't get no respect, can't get over it. Huh?
Why doesn't AMC look at the other weird ones, among them A-C-D, Packard, Studebaker, and, yes, Edsel (which looked at Packard, but that's another very interesting --- albeit not to you probably --- AMC-related history) that get more attention, respect, value, prices, publication, etc. than does AMC? Why doesn't AMC see that they even have archives and museums; not mom-and-pop or some-guy's-garages: permanent professional places to be?
Why doesn't AMC support one widely read car magazine? Why doesn't AMC support one widely populated online discussion group? Why doesn't AMC support one widely used information website? Why doesn't AMC get over being "just" AMC?
Why does AMC expect servers and services and smiles should never switch off, and when (or if) they are, AMC simply says: "Gimme! NOW!" Is AMC so much a "last independent" that last or -lost- are the same? Why not fifty forums? Why not a thousand websites? "All for one with none for all!" Why can't AMC see what AMC has become? Why can't AMC learn from the AMC past? Why can't AMC do more than muddle along? Build it: they will come; build it up: they will raise AMC's standards; build it even higher: they will raise the numbers (fans & dollars) for AMC to thrive.
I must be a 1950s AMC airhead. I still don't get it. (As in: "Duh?")
Do nothing, and you'll be done; do nothing more, and AMC will be done.
I'm done. I'm always done. And then I come back a do a little more.
So, how you doin'?
Huh?
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:07:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Forum (fwd)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609221704480.31445@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006, Mark Price wrote:
> However a posting to members in general, they have our
> e-addresses!, would be polite! I know that adds work load, but,
> No notice other then the one we receievd when we went to the site
> leaves many to speculate what really occured!
No, actually, it's LESS work to email a few regular members
and have them spread the word, say, a day or two into a big
problem. Far, far less time spent than dispelling rumors,
and it keeps people, for the next 12 months, from saying,
'but I heard the 1965-1/2 Green Classic With Drivers Side Door
Dent site is defunct'!
> It would be easier to forewarn than to post explain!
> Huh? Did I just say that outloud?!!!!!!!
yes you did and we will remind you of it constantly.
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