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Today's Topics:
1. Re: AMC-List Digest, Vol 7, Issue 26 (Don Johnson)
2. 3 or 4 hole flywheel interchange (Jesse)
3. Found Lincoln Versailles Rearend- still a good choice for
rear discs? (Jesse)
4. Front Disc Swap on 73 Matador? (Jesse)
5. Re: Front Disc Swap on 73 Matador? (Sandwich Maker)
6. Need help t/s ac problem on 83 Spirit (John Elle)
7. 71-74 jav grill (d stohler)
8. my 62 classic project (d stohler)
9. my 62 classic project (d stohler)
10. my 62 classic project (d stohler)
11. Re: Need help t/s ac problem on 83 Spirit (Tom Jennings)
12. Re: my 62 classic project (Tom Jennings)
13. Re: 3 or 4 hole flywheel interchange (John Elle)
14. Re: my 62 classic project (John Elle)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:45:53 -0400
From: Don Johnson <donjohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC-List Digest, Vol 7, Issue 26
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Steve,
If you can't build pressure and there are no leaks, it's probably a master
cylinder problem.
Don
>My AMX's dashboard brake light is constantly lit. When I apply the brakes
>hard enough, the rear wheel locks up, really a bit dangeous. There's no
>leakage of any brake fluid at any of the wheels. What caused this to
>happen? Should I reset the piston in both the engine compartment valve,
>underneath the heater motor, and the rear brake proportioning valve, or
>replace both, or what?
>
>Thanks for the help,
>
>Steve
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:57:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 3 or 4 hole flywheel interchange
To: johnelle@xxxxxxxxx, mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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THanks for the response John. Are you doing any
racing this year?
Just as a clarification, you are saying that the part
numbers are the same for both manual flywheels and it
does not matter which balancer they are paired with as
long as they are both from the same CID (304, in this
case).
THanks again and have a great week,
Jesse
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:49:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Found Lincoln Versailles Rearend- still a good
choice for rear discs?
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OK, so traveling in the middle of nowhere in the
Ozarks, I run across a complete Lincoln Versailles
(fancy Ford Granada)! THese all came with Ford 9 Inch
rears with Disc Brakes.
Over the years, I have used plenty of 9 inches in
small AMC's and have always heard of the Lincoln rear
option. The Company I work with has some reman's
calipers available (Cardone Industries or "A1 Cardone"
as they are commonly known).
Is there any downside to this Versailles setup, other
than the weight? I am leaving my 79 AMX 258/4 spd
pretty stock, but I have another 79 with a 70 model
360 (with Factory R4B!) and Mustang T5 that is in the
works and I think this Versailles rear would be a good
match. Opinions from those of you who have tried it
before?
Thanks,
Jesse
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:51:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Front Disc Swap on 73 Matador?
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WHat models interchage with the front brakes on a 73
Mat? It currently has discs. Is it as easy as the
swaps on the smaller AMC's?
Thanks,
Jesse
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:56:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Front Disc Swap on 73 Matador?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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" From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
"
" WHat models interchage with the front brakes on a 73
" Mat? It currently has discs. Is it as easy as the
" swaps on the smaller AMC's?
those are kelsey disks, and they were used across the board '71 [maybe
'70] to '73 and on small amcs in '74 and probably into '75.
yes, disk swaps are as easy as the smaller cars. all amc spindles
bolt on the same way since the '50s.
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:03:01 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Need help t/s ac problem on 83 Spirit
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Tom, Marty
I am not sure that there is a low pressure safety switch to jump. I have
never seen one on an AMC A/C unit. I only have data on AMC A/C up
through 1980. I would imagine 1983 is the same although I do not know
when the rotary A/C compressor was first used although I have one in my
parts stash along with the hardware to mount it on my Spirit if I ever
need it. I think I can locate an A/C wiring diagram as a J-Peg if needed
that can be e-mailed to someone if they think they need it.
(no promises but I will look if asked)
John
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, Marty Bricker wrote:
> compressor cycling on. Checked the system pressures
> and low side was high and high side was low , but
> there was pressure.
> TSM did not have a t/s procedure for the compressor.
> Looking for suggestions on how to figure out why the
> compressor will not turn on.
Assuming there is nothing else wrong, you might need to jumper
the low-pressure safety switch to get the compressor to pump
the freon into the system. Once you get it close to right you
can remove the jumper. I assume you have the right oil charge
and all that.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:26:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 71-74 jav grill
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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i stubled across this guy's adds on ebay. has 2 different grills. both look good. i thought a day or so ago someone on the list was looking for a decent grill. http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZlthom49086 i think that is a link to his auctions.
dave stohler
camp taji, iraq
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:35:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
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i know this has been talked about several times. my internet is so slow, and im having a hard time with the archive. i have someone offering me a brake kit off of an 81 concord. master cylinder, booster, proportioning valve, spindles, disks, calipers, everything for $175. im just wanting to make sure one last time that this will bolt right up to my 62 classic spindles. or maybe only with minor work. as i have also been told the mustang II brake kits work with minor work? i can get a mustang II disk brake set up with 11" rotors that still clear 15" wheels. i know there are far more options and upgrades with the mustang II kits. im a little more partial to keeping it amc. autozone has got reman callipers for $25.99 with $30 core charge. the guy claims the brake system still has fluid in it at this time and still works. new rotors and pads would be in the works with the swap no matter what. would that $175 for that whole set up be worth it or would i be just as well off to go
with the mustang II kit? also, anyone know the diamater of the concord brakes? thanks for the help.
p.s. mark, take care of yourself and keep up the good work. i just got out of a walking boot recently. i had my foot crushed between to HET trucks. M1070's. they are the trucks used for hauling the M1 tanks. readin your stories makes me feel lucky.
dave stohler
camp taji, iraq
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:36:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
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i know this has been talked about several times. my internet is so slow, and im having a hard time with the archive. i have someone offering me a brake kit off of an 81 concord. master cylinder, booster, proportioning valve, spindles, disks, calipers, everything for $175. im just wanting to make sure one last time that this will bolt right up to my 62 classic spindles. or maybe only with minor work. as i have also been told the mustang II brake kits work with minor work? i can get a mustang II disk brake set up with 11" rotors that still clear 15" wheels. i know there are far more options and upgrades with the mustang II kits. im a little more partial to keeping it amc. autozone has got reman callipers for $25.99 with $30 core charge. the guy claims the brake system still has fluid in it at this time and still works. new rotors and pads would be in the works with the swap no matter what. would that $175 for that whole set up be worth it or would i be just as well off to go
with the mustang II kit? also, anyone know the diamater of the concord brakes? thanks for the help.
p.s. mark, take care of yourself and keep up the good work. i just got out of a walking boot recently. i had my foot crushed between to HET trucks. M1070's. they are the trucks used for hauling the M1 tanks. readin your stories makes me feel lucky.
dave stohler
camp taji, iraq
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:38:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
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i know this has been talked about several times. my internet is so slow, and im having a hard time with the archive. i have someone offering me a brake kit off of an 81 concord. master cylinder, booster, proportioning valve, spindles, disks, calipers, everything for $175. im just wanting to make sure one last time that this will bolt right up to my 62 classic spindles. or maybe only with minor work. as i have also been told the mustang II brake kits work with minor work? i can get a mustang II disk brake set up with 11" rotors that still clear 15" wheels. i know there are far more options and upgrades with the mustang II kits. im a little more partial to keeping it amc. autozone has got reman callipers for $25.99 with $30 core charge. the guy claims the brake system still has fluid in it at this time and still works. new rotors and pads would be in the works with the swap no matter what. would that $175 for that whole set up be worth it or would i be just as well off to go
with the mustang II kit? also, anyone know the diamater of the concord brakes? thanks for the help.
p.s. mark, take care of yourself and keep up the good work. i just got out of a walking boot recently. i had my foot crushed between to HET trucks. M1070's. they are the trucks used for hauling the M1 tanks. readin your stories makes me feel lucky.
dave stohler
camp taji, iraq
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:05:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Need help t/s ac problem on 83 Spirit
Cc: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, John Elle wrote:
> I am not sure that there is a low pressure safety switch to jump. I have
> never seen one on an AMC A/C unit.
I am all but certain my 73 hornet parts car had one, with a
York type compressor. Up in the hose near the receiver/dryer.
But you're right more often than me, maybe I hallucinated it.
But it's all moot if you can hear the compressor clutch >>CLICK<<
on and there's a big load on the engine... at worst, you could
unplug/plug the compressor clutch wire with the engine runnin
and A/C on and listen for it.
I only have data on AMC A/C up
> through 1980. I would imagine 1983 is the same although I do not know
> when the rotary A/C compressor was first used although I have one in my
> parts stash along with the hardware to mount it on my Spirit if I ever
> need it. I think I can locate an A/C wiring diagram as a J-Peg if needed
> that can be e-mailed to someone if they think they need it.
> (no promises but I will look if asked)
> John
>
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, Marty Bricker wrote:
>
> > compressor cycling on. Checked the system pressures
> > and low side was high and high side was low , but
> > there was pressure.
> > TSM did not have a t/s procedure for the compressor.
> > Looking for suggestions on how to figure out why the
> > compressor will not turn on.
>
> Assuming there is nothing else wrong, you might need to jumper
> the low-pressure safety switch to get the compressor to pump
> the freon into the system. Once you get it close to right you
> can remove the jumper. I assume you have the right oil charge
> and all that.
>
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:15:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, d stohler wrote:
The 81 brake junk will bolt riiiiight up to 62! Don't know
about the master cyl though.
You can use any master cylinder that physically fits IF you
work with the following:
* No check valve in the fitting seat for the disc (front)
connection;
* Check valve in place for the rears;
* The master cyl bore is the same as, or nearly the same,
as the one from the donor system.
** If the new master cyl bore is larger than the donor's,
it will require more pedal pressure, and less travel (STIFFER).
** If the new master cyl bore is smaller than the donor's,
it will require less pedal pressure, but have higher travel
(SOFTER).
If it is "too much" smaller, you might run out of pumping
capacity (eg. one pedal push might bottom the master cylinder)
before brake lockup, or it might not have enough extra capacity
under degraded conditions, eg. when the system is 5 - 10 years
old, worn, leaky, etc.
I've never tested, measured, calculated, or even really guessed
at this last thing, but my sense is you'd have to be WAY off
for it to matter.
Certainly if the bore is within 1/16" it will only affect feel
and not safety. 1/8" is probably fine, even.
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:13:14 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 3 or 4 hole flywheel interchange
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SNIP
Just as a clarification, you are saying that the part
numbers are the same for both manual flywheels and it
does not matter which balancer they are paired with as
long as they are both from the same CID (304, in this
case).
THanks again and have a great week,
SNIP
Jesse
As best as I know, the short answer is
as follows. As long as the flywheel or
flex plate and harmonic balancer (3 or
4 hole) is off of the same displacement
engine as far as I know you can mix and
match as needed with out worry of
affecting the balance of your engine.
John
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:43:37 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <000501c6c092$5a502d80$c3dd0d82@john1>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Dave
SNIP
i know this has been talked about several times. my internet is so slow,
and im
having a hard time with the archive. i have someone offering me a brake
kit off
of an 81 concord. master cylinder, booster, proportioning valve,
spindles,
disks, calipers, everything for $175. im just wanting to make sure one
last
time that this will bolt right up to my 62 classic spindles.
SNIP
This will not bolt up to the spindle. It will have to be changed too.
But it is part of the kit as stated.
The spindles unbolt from the steering knuckle with the same 4 bolts that
hold the brakes on. And I think that Tom mentioned that configuration
goes back for many years well in to the early '50's.
This is a bolt on, however you may have to solve some clearance issues.
This depends on the particular year disc brake and the car you are
putting it on. Some years of calipers make it easier if you reverse the
location of the caliper. To do this move the bleeder to the top and the
brake line to the bottom of the calipers and bolt it onto the opposite
side. The bleeder always wants to be at the top no matter the location
of the calipers.
.
All you need for the Concord/Spirit setup is a pair of new XJ hoses and
banjo bolts. Straight in hoses as used on the Concord won't work on pre
72 vehicles as the steering knuckle interferes with hose routing. The
banjo type hoses mount 90 degrees to the caliper and allow plenty
clearance. You can find the bolts in any hotrod shop (get bolts for GM
calipers), or Jeep dealer, even the junk yard, a motor cycle shop or
even better auto parts stores. .
Then again, you may not even need them.
.
I have heard of disc brakes working safely with no change of the master
cylinder. You just have to be aware of fluid levels and check them often
as the reservoir may not be big enough.
Also the hot rod market has proportioning valves and assorted parts to
do jobs such as this if needed.
SNIP
i have also been told the mustang II brake kits work with minor work?
SNIP
I do not think that this is true at all, or at least not inexpensively
or easily.
SNIP
would that $175 for that whole set up be worth it
SNIP
Smoking deal, 'specially if everything is re-usable with just a clean up
and rebuild.
This is the set up I have on a shelf ready to do onto my Donohue if I
need to do some serious work on the existing 4 piston OEM units.
John
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