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Today's Topics:

   1. 70 Hornet inst. panel (jackbarncord@xxxxxxx)
   2. AMC Engine Blocks?` (markskur1@xxxxxxx)
   3. Black Choppers and Bullrides (Michael Bailey)
   4. Re: Educating... (Justin Shelton)
   5. Front Suspension Rebuild parts (John Elle)
   6. Re: AMC Engine Blocks?` (msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx)
   7. Carrying The AMC Banner In The Twenty First Century (Mr. AMC)
   8. Re: AMC Engine Blocks (JOE FULTON)
   9. Re: AMC Engine Blocks? (Larry R Daum)
  10. Re: AMC Engine Blocks? (Glen Hoag)
  11. Re: AMC Engine Blocks (Glen Hoag)
  12. Re: What to do? (Mark Price)
  13. Re: Educating...Or otherwise known as dumbing down. (Arfon)
  14. posi, gears, 8.25 rears & more for sale (Eddie Stakes)
  15. Borg Warner T-10 for sale (Eddie Stakes)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:29:25 +0000
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] 70 Hornet inst. panel
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC List)
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Okay, I committed the sin of sins, unplugged a yellow wire from my instrument panel and don't know where it goes.  I've checked the wiring diagram, but there doesn't seem to be a yellow wire, by its lonesome in a 90° connector.  Any help would be great.  Oh, everything, but the gas gage works and that didn't work before my mistake.

On the up side the speedometer cable doesn't make noise any more, the alternator light works and the red oil/brake placard is back in place.   Just one wire without a home. :-(

Jack

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:16:46 -0400
From: markskur1@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC Engine Blocks?`
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Who manufactured the AMC engine blocks? 
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:20:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Black Choppers and Bullrides
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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  Thanks, guys, for all the responses to what I had to
say, both for AND against.  It's nice to see that some
of us do give a "rat's patootie"
m



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:47:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Justin Shelton <justinshelton@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Educating...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I had the same experience a few years ago at a banquet
dinner for a car club that I belong to.  One guy, when
he found out I collect Ramblers, told me his sister
had a '65 Classic with a "Chevy 327 in it."  I told
him that it was an AMC engine, looked nothing like a
Chevy, and he got really huffy about it, even though I
told him in a nice way!

And recently my father in law, who had a '63 American,
INSISTED in that particular way that only in-laws can,
that the car had a Dodge engine in it.

And my mechanic friend still insists that AMC bought
"left-over" parts from the Big Three and put them on
their cars.  He just doesn't buy it when I tell him
that they just out-sourced manufacturing of various
engine components.

Maybe it's best to just bite your tongue and take
solace in knowing that you know your stuff . . 

Message: 5
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:46:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: J Johnson <imfatdad@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Educating...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I have an ironic tale to spin about educating about
AMC's..  I recently
met an older fellow with a 64 American 'vert..  He is
insistant that
the 232 engine he has in it is made by Chevy.  "That
old 190 something
was a piece of trash, I love that AMC put these chevy
232's in starting
1964"...  I really dont know how to correct him, or if
I should.. 
respecting elders and all....  I cringe when I think
about him
spreading this info to others though.... 

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 07:39:03 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Front Suspension Rebuild parts
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Well, 
Just got off the phone with the boys from Kanter and ordered two front
suspension rebuild kits for the two Hornets I am working on. One I need
now, the second will be used shortly. What with the current price of
gasoline figured to order them both now before a new round of price
increases kick in. 
Today for the 1970 and up rebuild kit, $190.00, in 1998 it was $145.00.
Not being a great fan of polyurethane for a variety of reasons these are
all rubber. If you are interested check out the web site; 
http://www.kanter.com/
Look for standard rebuild kits. Typically if listed at all that AMC
parts are carried you will rarely if ever find a deluxe kit available. 
This is not the first time I have used Kanter for this product and as
long as I keep getting older it probably will not be the last. After all
Jock is only 1 year older than I am and look how active and feisty he
still is!
For those who are interested the 800 number is;
1-800-526-1096
Ask for extension 367 for an AMC friendly Salesman!
John


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:40:49 +0000
From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Engine Blocks?`
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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	<080920061440.19251.44D9F3F10002640600004B332200745672019D0A0790019D9F9C03@xxxxxxxxxxx>
	
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Uh...is this a trick question?

(Who's buried in Grant's tomb? When was the War of 1812?  Lol...)


-Spro
-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: markskur1@xxxxxxx 

> Who manufactured the AMC engine blocks? 
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 10:58:10 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] Carrying The AMC Banner In The Twenty First
	Century
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I am glad to see there are still some passionate people who care about
AMC's getting there just due and accurate info being published. Mike
while not seeing the magazine I felt unqualified to E-Mail the
publisher. I have been a passionate AMC'ers for 41 years before it was a
hobby. To tell you the truth me personally I am tired of beating  my
head against a stone wall getting out and correcting false info and
stupid urban myths about AMC. Getting some AMC'ers to do anything is a
problem. Me and a friend tried to start a small AMC club a few years ago
knowing there was at least 10 owners in the area and not one even gave
us a call. I try to get them to go to local cruise nights, there are 3
local ones a week and it is usually just me and my AMC friend. I have
quietly resigned myself to enjoy driving and work on my cars. It's time
I passed on the baton and let someone else beat a dead horse. 
"Doc"



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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:15:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Engine Blocks
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060809161513.63660.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Well, there is one trick answer.  The die cast
aluminum 196 block was cast by an outside contractor.
some lead company, but I can't remember the correct
name right now.

Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA


Uh...is this a trick question?

(Who's buried in Grant's tomb? When was the War of
1812?  Lol...)


-Spro
-------------- Original message --------------
From: markskur1@xxxxxxx

> Who manufactured the AMC engine blocks?
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:32:12 -0700
From: Larry R Daum <mramc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Engine Blocks?
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: markskur1@xxxxxxx
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[AMC-List] AMC Engine Blocks?`

Date: Wednesday, August 9, 2006 08:16 AM
From:

Who manufactured the AMC engine blocks?

A Side from the "Whose buried in Grant tomb comment?"
AMC made there own engine blocks. I believe what you mean is who
cast the AMC engines blocks.? They were machined in Kenosha but most were
cast at Holmes Foundry in Sarnia, Ontario, Canada. A 70's acquisition
of an old Ford foundry and unfortunately the worlds dirtiest foundry. My
understanding Chrysler closed it down after buying AMC and there are still
worker lawsuit on health issues on going. Earlier on AMC had its own Foundry
in Kenosha I believe and blocks and aluminum parts were cast and 
machined there.
As things got more specialized the foundry work was moved to larger 
outside suppliers.
The cylinder heads and timing chain covers were done some where in 
Ohio at one time , I remember
seeing on a factory tour in Kenosha. The 6 cylinder cranks were made 
by GM , chevy in that case for AMC and the V-8 cranks by Ford for 
AMC. AMC use to make the 6 cylinder ring and pinions for GM rear 
ends. That was the first thing you saw on a couple of the tours I 
took threw Kenosha. Larry R. Daum mramc@xxxxxxxxxxx






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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:04:22 -0500
From: Glen Hoag <hoag@xxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Engine Blocks?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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>[AMC-List] AMC Engine Blocks?`
>
>Date: Wednesday, August 9, 2006 08:16 AM
>From:
>
>Who manufactured the AMC engine blocks?
>
>A Side from the "Whose buried in Grant tomb comment?"
>AMC made there own engine blocks. I believe what you mean is who
>cast the AMC engines blocks.? They were machined in Kenosha but most were
>cast at Holmes Foundry in Sarnia, Ontario, Canada. A 70's acquisition
>of an old Ford foundry and unfortunately the worlds dirtiest foundry. My
>understanding Chrysler closed it down after buying AMC and there are still
>worker lawsuit on health issues on going. Earlier on AMC had its own Foundry
>in Kenosha I believe and blocks and aluminum parts were cast and
>machined there.
>As things got more specialized the foundry work was moved to larger
>outside suppliers.

Excerpt from a report by the Canadian Auto Workers Union (CAW) on the 
history of Holmes foundry:

Holmes Foundry of Sarnia, Ontario, was established in 1918. It was 
originally owned by Mr. J.S. Blunt and was called Holmes Blunt 
Limited. In those early years, Ford Motor Company contracted the 
plant for a steady supply of engine casting blocks.

[snipped some health, safety, and labor comments]

American Motors (AMC) acquired twenty-five percent interest in the 
plant in January of 1966. At that time, the plant had supplied AMC 
with motor castings (blocks) since 1962. In July of 1970, American 
Motors acquired 100% of Holmes Foundry. It was not until October of 
1981 that Holmes Foundry finally became a Division of American 
Motors, Canada.

[snip information on other Holmes operations]

With the acquisition of AMC, Chrysler Corporation took ownership of 
the Holmes Foundry facility and its manufacturing business in 1987. 
Chrysler scheduled the operation for closure on September 16, 1988, 
which ended Holmes Foundry's seventy-year legacy of exposing workers 
to harmful and excessive hazards.

Source: http://www.caw.ca/whatwedo/health&safety/holmesfoundry/review.asp

-- 
Glen Hoag                               '75 Pacer 258 (x3)
hoag@xxxxxx                             '76 Pacer 258 (for parts)
Limestone County, Alabama               '77 Pacer 258 (for kids)
                                         '80 Pacer 258 DL wagon
                                         '81 Concord DL 258
AMO #7895    AMCPC #471                 '82 Spirit 151


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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:45:58 -0500
From: Glen Hoag <hoag@xxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Engine Blocks
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Dr. Rambler has a history of the AMC aluminum six cylinder engine. 
It can be found at 
<http://www.geocities.com/dr_rambler/aluminum.html>.

An excerpt from the history page:
"The new engine was the result of a co-operative research and 
development program between American Motors and the Doehler-Jarvis 
Division of National Lead Company [now known as NL Industries --GH]. 
Doehler-Jarvis was responsible for the production of the aluminium 
blocks in its Toledo, Ohio plant."

Source: AMCRC Rambler Reader, V14N2, pp22-25, 1993, found at 
<http://www.geocities.com/dr_rambler/history.html>.

Doehler-Jarvis, founded by Herman Doehler, developer of the first 
die-casting machine, was once the largest independent aluminum 
die-casting facility, but hit the skids by 1997, when Ford and GM 
moved much of their business to other firms.  Harvard Industries, 
which purchased the company in 1995, sold parts of it and closed down 
the rest in 1998.


>Well, there is one trick answer.  The die cast
>aluminum 196 block was cast by an outside contractor.
>some lead company, but I can't remember the correct
>name right now.
>
>Joe Fulton
>Salinas, CA
>
>
>Uh...is this a trick question?
>
>(Who's buried in Grant's tomb? When was the War of
>1812?  Lol...)
>
>
>-Spro
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: markskur1@xxxxxxx
>
>  > Who manufactured the AMC engine blocks?
>>

-- 
Glen Hoag                               '75 Pacer 258 (x3)
hoag@xxxxxx                             '76 Pacer 258 (for parts)
Limestone County, Alabama               '77 Pacer 258 (for kids)
                                         '80 Pacer 258 DL wagon
                                         '81 Concord DL 258
AMO #7895    AMCPC #471                 '82 Spirit 151


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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:47:42 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] What to do?
To: Jeff Reeves <amcnut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
	<30296431.1155160062946.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I'll second that!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV


---- Jeff Reeves <amcnut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> Joe, if you weren't clear on the other side of the continent from me, I'd be taking that Spirit off your hands. I'm sure that little gas-sipper would be an excellent commuter car, and I could drive/enjoy it while I'm trying to get my other stuff ready to roll. 
> But, 3000 miles is a bit of a trek for any reason these days....
> 
> And, you're not boring! I thoroughly enjoy reading about your automotive escapades.
> 
> Jeff Reeves
> Auburn GA
> 94 Cherokee
> 79 Spirit GT
> 72 Javelin SST
> 69 Ambassador DPL
> 
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:43:41 -0700 (PDT)
> From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] What To Do?
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <20060808164342.90345.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> 
> Well, you asked:
> 
> My 80 Spirit is sitting at the front curb for sale. 
> No takers, at $500 so I may donate it to charity when
> I return from Speed Week in Utah next week.  Sad.
> 
> <snip>
> There is more, but I won't bore you.
> 
> Joe Fulton
> Salinas, CA
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:16:13 -0500
From: Arfon <Arfon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Educating...Or otherwise known as dumbing
	down.
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060809181503.03b52720@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>It really gets the GM crowd teary eyed when they discover that their 
>infamous 396's were actually made by AMC.


I'm curious, care to explain?



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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 20:44:06 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] posi, gears, 8.25 rears & more for sale
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: mbono@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <046701c6bc20$2e299410$0ff4b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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POSI LOCKERS GEARS BEARING KITS MODEL 20 AND 8.25 REAR ENDS CALL OR E-MAIL 
MARK MARK BONO mbono@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 800-347-1188 ext 5574 425-347-1188
=====================================
anyone wanting more information please give Mark a shuot above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 20:45:01 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Borg Warner T-10 for sale
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Mike Dion <mdion@xxxxxxxxx>
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1970 AMX transmisson T-10 fourspeed make offer mike dion mdion@xxxxxxxxx 716 
583-9373
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anyone interested in the Borg Warner above give Mike a shout, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com



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