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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 85 Eagle 4x4 (Sandwich Maker)
2. 74 AMX Production Numbers (markskur1@xxxxxxx)
3. Re: 74 AMX Production Numbers (JOE FULTON)
4. Re: 360/727 from jeep to javelin questions (Frank Swygert)
5. Re: Hinge Bushing Surprise (Frank Swygert)
6. Re: Gremlin ad (Frank Swygert)
7. Re: getting an '87 Eagle Wagon (Frank Swygert)
8. 1968 Ambassador Original 390 (!!) (Archimedes)
9. Re: crossmember question & PARTING OUT 76 GREMLIN X
(Frank Swygert)
10. Re: eBay Want It Now Favorite Search: jeep wanted (not me)
(Jim Blair)
11. Re: Hornet update & Halogen Headlights (Frank Swygert)
12. FOR SALE/WANTED (namdra@xxxxxxxx)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:31:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 85 Eagle 4x4
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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" From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
"
" A: If you score a lockup version of the 727, the mileage drop will be
" minimal on the hwy.
a good point, if most of your driving is highway.
" The '80 to '83 Cherokee also came with 999 as an option
" behind the 6 cyl (you can tell which is which by the pan shape)
999 and not 998? just wondering... eagles all had 998s. -afaik-
wranglers got the first 999s. i'll admit they don't differ much.
" The 32RE
" (and probablt 32RH as well) have weak lockup converters. I have 3 in my pile
" of cores that suddenly quit making the Jeep/Eagle/Concord move. Often just
" as they pulled to a stop. I stripped the trannies down and there wasn't even
" more than a smudge of grit in the pans.
but the 32rh is just another name for tf999 and the 32re is just the
electronic-controlled version of the 32rh, so presumably they all use
the same front pump and can swap converters.
could be they gradually cheaped out on internals - '80s 727s aren't as
beefy as the ones put behind '60s hemis, for example.
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Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:30:50 -0400
From: markskur1@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] 74 AMX Production Numbers
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Can anybody direct me where to find the number of 74 AMX's produced?
I also need to get the weight of a 74 AMX with 360 4bbl Go-pac
Thanks,
mark
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:40:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 74 AMX Production Numbers
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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There was a thread on the AMC Forum
(www.amcforums.com) on the 71-74 Javelin and AMX
numbers. You might try there. Search the forum under
"Restoration".
Can't help wit the weight.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:39:35 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 360/727 from jeep to javelin questions
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Andrew is 100% correct -- it doesn't matter whether the donor is an AMC
or Chrysler. The only difference between a Chrysler and AMC TorqueFlite
is the bell housing -- which means the main case. Gear ratios and all
internals are the same. The only difference between 4x4 and 2x4
trannies is the tailshaft housing and output shaft.
On July 22, 2006 andrew hay wrote:
> " From: "Harold" <nash126@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " Info needed, I'm looking for somebody that knows AMC automobiles
inside and
> " out. I have a 68 javelin sst project going on i recently bought a
1980 AMC
> " j10 jeep 4x4 with a 360-V8 with headers and a 727 automatic
transmission. my
> " question is since this is a 4x4 with a transfer case what am i
going to have
> " to do to make this tranny work in my 68 javelin? Unfortunately the
headers
> " won't work unless i pound the tubing some on the passenger side and
I'm not
> " willing to do that. So if any body needs these 0-miles on them let
me know
> " thanks. And Ed thanks for the use on your great AMC site. Harold
>
> someone who knows mopars would do as well since the 727 is a mopar
> tranny, but afaik what you need are the tailshaft and extension bits
> from a 2wd 727. i don't think it matters whether it's a mopar or
amc
> donor on that end.
>
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> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have
seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:54:08 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Hinge Bushing Surprise
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Transition years are hard to call! Cars are sold by model year, but
some parts (such as engines) are built by calendar year. So early 77
models (built September-December 76) may have 76 model parts. The
factory parts books don't always make that distinction, though
sometimes they will list two types of a part and what VIN or final
assembly number range they fit. Sometimes. Often just a few cars were
made with the remaining inventory that happened to be still on the line
and not changed out yet.
Aftermarket parts are a totally different story. They try to
consolidate as many part numbers as possible to reduce inventory,
sometimes with disastrous results. The 196 water pump, for example. One
year should fit all, right? There were 3-4 different pumps used, the
early one with four bolts (56-57, maybe 58), the others with five. They
interchange flathead to OHV in the years both were made, but the water
pump housing is different (outlet location) between American and
Classic, and the shafts are different lengths between the American and
Classic. So be careful when ordering one!
On July 23, 2006 JOE B FULTON wrote:
> Once again AMC proves you can't believe everything you
> read.
>
> I removed the passenger door yesterday on the 1977
> Gremlin X intending to change the hinge bushings. The
> literature says 1977 and later cars got the heavy
> bushings. I had ordered these bushings from APD.
>
> I found that they were too big for the hinge holes and
> I was cussing Doug at APD, then I decided to research
> the list archives. The heavy bushings were supposed
> to fit.
>
> Luckily I had three of the 1976-earlier bushings
> (J3609194) from an earlier project and was able to
> re-use one unworn bushing. If you are intending to
> re-bush the hinges on a 77 model car I suggest you
> have some of both part numbers on hand.
>
> Joe Fulton
> Salinas, CA
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:57:03 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Gremlin ad
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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The early Pinto had a smaller hatch than later ones. But the ad does
say "wider", not "bigger". Just semantics, but the Gremlin flip up
window (only a "hatch" by a strtch of the imagination to me!) might be
an inch or so wider anyway.
On July 23, 2006 Ross & Terrie Guistino wrote:
> Not that I'm a pinto fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I
find it
> interesting that the ad touts that "only Gremlin gives you a wide
hatch". I
> had a friend who had a '77 Pinto and it had a huge hatch, much bigger
than
> the Gremlin's. What's with that? How odd.
>
> Ross Guistino
> Rohnert Park, CA
> '73 Gremlin 304 aka Vivo
> '75 Gremlin X aka Greta
> '69 Beetle
> '93 Jetta III
> '98 Jetta TDI
> '02 Jetta TDI
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx [mailto:amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx] On
Behalf
> Of Jeff & Caroline
> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 1:35 PM
> To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [AMC-List] Gremlin ad
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2CqOj5WpMs&search=Gremlin%20amc
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:30:07 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] getting an '87 Eagle Wagon
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It's been about 50/50 down south. Now most shops bend their own so they
don't have a lot of inventory and get max use out of the expensive
bending machine. Some of the chain stores like Midas and Meineke still
buy prebent pipes for popular models because it reduces time to
install, but they usually have a bender in the shop too. I've had the
best luck using individually owned stores with a bender. As Tom said,
welded joints, and usually better workmanship. If something burns out
five years later I'm not going to worry about getting a few pieces
replaced. If you are, pay the extra $100 or so and get the nationwide
warranty. That's what the extra money is for. Most people don't go in
and use it since they lose their paperwork or there isn't a shop close
by, so the corporation makes a good deal of extra money. That's why
they aren't real concerned about the few people who seem to keep their
car and live in the local area forever, and happily do the warranty
work. Even a restoration is rarely judged by the exhaust system, though
it could be the deciding point in a close contest.
On July 24, 2006 Tom Jennings wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006, Wm. Neal Lewis wrote:
>
> > As to a muffler job, Midas quoted me about $350.
> > Another national shop was in the same region. They both said the
pipes are
> > not standard and they would have to bend them on site.
>
> This is one of those east coast/west coast things; here in CA
> pretty much no one I know messes with those pre-formed tailpipe
> parts; you just go to a muffler shop that bends the stuff up on
> the spot, all welded. My 258 six Hornet, done last spring, cost
> under $200 (I supplied the Summit muffler). Took an hour, it's
> bigger than stock and a hell of a lot fewer bends and no flats.
>
> When I lived in the Boston area, (left there in 1984...) muffler
> shops had dozens of those pre-bent pipes with swaged ends hanging
> all over the walls, all held together with those crappy clamps.
> If I remember right, bending tubing was not common.
>
> Could be just old warped memory though.
>
> The irony of all this is, with all the road salt the welded
> system would work a lot better; water wouldn't creep into the
> stupid clamed joints. ANd the clamp-together stuff would last
> a hell of a lot longer in CA, with anti-seize, you probably
> COULD take it apart later!
>
> Except for actual restoration, why does anyone mess with those
> annoying and rare parts?
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:23:32 -0400
From: Archimedes <Freedom@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 1968 Ambassador Original 390 (!!)
To: (Recipient list suppressed)
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You want a rare car, here it is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/AMC-AMBASSADOR-SST-1968-AMERICAN-MOTORS-AMBASSADOR-SST-RARE-390_W0QQitemZ140010444572QQihZ004QQcategoryZ5357QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Three days are left on the auction.
-- Marc Montoni
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:50:08 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] crossmember question & PARTING OUT 76 GREMLIN
X
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On July 24, 2006 John Elle wrote:
> Also you can make your own questionable V8 cross member by removing
the
> 6 cylinder cross member from a 6 cylinder I6 car and cut off the 6
> cylinder engine mounts, grind everything smooth and then paint it.
> The end result is just as useful and a whole lot cheaper.
> To the best of my knowledge, Gremlin, Hornet, Concord and Spirit
cross
> members are interchangeable.
> I thought that I had reference to Javelin/AMX cross members as to
> whether they interchanged too, but I can not find it. Maybe some one
> else has this information.
> Good luck
> John.
John, it's American, Gremlin, Hornet, Concord and Spirit that
interchange. The exception is 196 powered cars (only 64-65, and no V-8s
those years). 196 crossmembers have no engine mount perches, the rubber
mount bolts directly to the crossmember. Javelin crossmembers
interchange with Rebel/Matador (but not Ambassador -- the mounts are
set back further due to the longer wheelbase).
The V-8 mounts want to bolt up along the rear edge of the six perches,
IIRC. I've welded a plate on top of the six perches and drilled for V-8
mounts. That was a while back -- I forget if I cut the top flat area of
the six perches off or not -- I don't think so. The height is about the
same.
Note that the small cars (American, Gremlin, Hornet, Concord and
Spirit) require engine mount plates that sit in closer to the engine by
about 1/2" than the other cars. I've seen the big car mounts cut and
welded, but Galvin's (www.ramblerparts.com) and liely some of the other
vendors have reproduced plates. Galvin's also has repro'd crossmembers.
He had the V-8 preches made and cuts the six cylinder perches off,
grinds, and welds as you suggested. They are patterned after the
originals and you really can't tell they've been modified.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:11:11 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] eBay Want It Now Favorite Search: jeep wanted
(not me)
To: carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:13:24 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Hornet update & Halogen Headlights
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On July 26, 2006 jackbarncord@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Next is the gas tank. I was under the back end adjusting the brakes
while on my lunch break and noticed that the gas tank is sweating in a
spot about 4" in diameter. Not enough to drip, just enough to "sweat"
a dark spot. Now as standard equipment I carry a gallon of gas in the
trunk waiting to run the tank dry. I need to take a look at the fuel
gage sending unit anyway so I'll take the tank down and hopefully do
the repair right. It has been recommended that I use a tank sealer.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
Yes! Go to www.hirschauto.com and get some of their sealer and cleaner.
I've used it several times and it's some of the best made, and easy to
use. You obviously have a pin hole in the "sweating" area. This sealer
is made to deal exactly with that sort of thing. You have to remove the
tank to seal it, of course.
>
> As for the gage, it shows full until you get down to about 4 gallons
and then the gage comes down like "normal" with four gallons being
full, three being about three quarters and so on. Any thoughts on this
one?
The sending unit has windings around a slide. The windings are
apparently broke on yours. The only fix is a new sending unit. Most AMC
vendors should be able to supply you with one. If not, a universal unit
can be modified to fit the original mounting plate. Takes a bit of
work, but I've done it.
>
> Does anyone remember how to trim the antenna on these AM radios? As
I remember you tune to a weak station around 1600 and adjust the trim
for the best reception.
>
I don't think the "newer" (mid 70s) AM radios have an adjustment. I
know the older ones have a screw on the back. You almost always had to
take the radio out of the dash to find and adjust the screw.
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:44:05 -0500
From: namdra@xxxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] FOR SALE/WANTED
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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FOR SALE - NEW cast iron water pumps, manufactured by a major company,
comes packaged with two spacers, gasket and propaganda. I have two to
sell - $55ea. Have several sets of "driver" sill moldings. These are in
various condition, none are NOS or show, but all are from Arizona cars
and better than what I remember seeing on eastern cars. I can send
pictures via Email.
WANTED - An aluminum intake (no Torkers please) and headers for a 343
engine. Gary Moore at (602) 573-2979 or email at Captrambler@xxxxxxxx
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WANTED - Set of solid axles for 70 AMX. John Zwierzko at (312) 402-1303
(Wilmette, IL) or devilsad2@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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CAR FOR SALE - 69 American 2dr. sedan, 290, automatic car from Arizona.
Now has a good 360/727 & rebuilt SC/rambler 4:10 posi rearend. Rebuilt
front suspension - body work done. Was painted white but changed mind
(doors in primer). Needs to be put back together, lost interest in
project. Can send pictures - $3000. Scott Dunham, Colbert, WA (509) 4562
or email at red68amx@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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FOR SALE - Rebuilt AMC balancers. I have 401, 390, 360, 343 & 232 rebuilt
balancers. Your choice - $90.
WANTED - (2) 401 connecting rods. Gary Moore at (602) 573-2979 or email
at Captrambler@xxxxxxxx
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