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Today's Topics:
1. Re: my 62 classic project (Sandwich Maker)
2. Re: my 62 classic project (Ken Ames)
3. Re: Fwd: [BaadAssGremlins] Las Vegas AMC Reunion (Tom Jennings)
4. Gone Fishing (Brien Tourville)
5. Re: Fwd: [BaadAssGremlins] Las Vegas AMC Reunion (Jim Shadwick)
6. Re: my 62 classic project (John Elle)
7. my 62 classic project (francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
8. Re: AMC List Bounces (francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
9. Re: decoding vin info (francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
10. Re: Gone Fishing ? (from ADMIN)
(francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
11. 1968 Rebel in Couerdalene, ID area-NOT MINE (Jamie Smith)
12. 1968 rebel (Thomas Sardeson)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:03:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200606122303.k5CN3ET23252@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
"
" on another subject, does anyone know how strong the t-5's that came in
" the jeep cj's are? will they stand going behind a 304 with mild usual
" bolt ons. if not, gears and rebuild kits from say a mustang should fit
" right in right?? i like where the shifter is positioned on the jeep t5.
" i can retain my bench seats.
the amc-jeep t5s are good for about 220 ft-lbs, just enough for the
stock sixes. i wouldn't want to use one behind a v8 or even modified
six, and they're geared poorly for a car, with a very deep 1st.
i don't know if you can swap just 5.0 internals, but folks have been
putting 5.0 t5s into a lot of cars - including amcs - and the hot
trick for bench seats is a gm s-10 extension case - dunno if year
makes a difference - as it has about the farthest-fwd shifter
location.
an '86-9 5.0 t5 is rated 260 ft-lbs, '90-3 300. '94-5 are good except
for the input shaft which is longer for no good reason, but you can
swap an '86-'93 one in and use it.
all the mustang [and camaro] v8 t5s have stupid tall 5th gears [for epa
highway mileage reasons i'm sure], so i'd put a b-w aftermkt 0.8 5th
in, and while i was in there add a 5speeds.com 'countershaft
stabilizer' cluster bearing retainer.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:44:39 -0600
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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The deep 1st comes from the time when the T5s were just T4s. The low first
helped with the acceleration when using 2.53 or 2.3x series differentials.
Ken
Quoting Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> the amc-jeep t5s are good for about 220 ft-lbs, just enough for the
> stock sixes. i wouldn't want to use one behind a v8 or even modified
> six, and they're geared poorly for a car, with a very deep 1st.
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:30:13 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Fwd: [BaadAssGremlins] Las Vegas AMC Reunion
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 04:07 +0000, francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:
> Ross, NEVER be afraid to show one of your "survivors" or "works in
> progress", whichever they might be! Yes, some people, especially those
> who have "check book" restorations, will turn their noses up, but the
> rank-and-file enthusiasts will usually appreciate seeing such a car. I
> know that those draw my attention as much as the near perfect restos.
I 100% agree!! Consider that what we think of as normal or mundane, is
still a 30+ year old car, which are practically non-existent on the
road, anywhere. The fact that it's running and kept up is notable.
Hell, Hemmings Classic Car has a regular feature devoted to such things,
'Drivable Dreams'.
Go for it! Winning class trophies is nice, but only a tiny part of AMC
shows for most people.
> It
> gives a chance to see what's being done, and insights on how, if it's a
> work in progress, and a better idea of how things were if it's a
> survivor. Someone (I hate it when I can't recall names, especially when
> it's someone I know!!) brought a "survivor" 57 Rebel to one of the
> Delaware Valley AMO meets early this year. I was more interested in it
> than the restored SC/Rambler there. And I'd have rather had the Rebel,
> but then I do tend to gravitate toward the unusual, that's part of why
> I'm an AMC fan to begin with!
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:58:18 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Gone Fishing
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From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*
Brien,face it,most here dislike your cornstick comments!
Bart
*
Uh-huhh...it's Mr. Florida Fresh Squeezed...
you;re recruiting for the BaadAssGremlin
Mickey Mouse Club again ?
- or is it since your Heap's
still jack stands you've time to write ?
milnersXcoupe
NEW YORK
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:31:58 -0600
From: Jim Shadwick <idahoamx@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Fwd: [BaadAssGremlins] Las Vegas AMC Reunion
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <448E239E.5070308@xxxxxxxxx>
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I also agree....at our show this past weekend ( put on by Mopars
Unlimited of Idaho ) we only had 4 AMC's ( I had hoped for more )
my 78 Concord Coupe and 73 Matador HT 3rd place, a well worn 78 Concord
AMX 2nd place, and a very nice custom built 69 Javelin
1st place.( first time out in over 5 years) I had to twist his
arm.......participant judged......don't worry to much how your
car looks, take it out and enjoy the ride.....
Jim Shadwick
President
Mopars Unlimited of Idaho
Tom Jennings wrote:
> On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 04:07 +0000, francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> wrote:
>
>
>> Ross, NEVER be afraid to show one of your "survivors" or "works in
>> progress", whichever they might be! Yes, some people, especially those
>> who have "check book" restorations, will turn their noses up, but the
>> rank-and-file enthusiasts will usually appreciate seeing such a car. I
>> know that those draw my attention as much as the near perfect restos.
>>
>
>
> I 100% agree!! Consider that what we think of as normal or mundane, is
> still a 30+ year old car, which are practically non-existent on the
> road, anywhere. The fact that it's running and kept up is notable.
>
> Hell, Hemmings Classic Car has a regular feature devoted to such things,
> 'Drivable Dreams'.
>
> Go for it! Winning class trophies is nice, but only a tiny part of AMC
> shows for most people.
>
>
>
>
>> It
>> gives a chance to see what's being done, and insights on how, if it's a
>> work in progress, and a better idea of how things were if it's a
>> survivor. Someone (I hate it when I can't recall names, especially when
>> it's someone I know!!) brought a "survivor" 57 Rebel to one of the
>> Delaware Valley AMO meets early this year. I was more interested in it
>> than the restored SC/Rambler there. And I'd have rather had the Rebel,
>> but then I do tend to gravitate toward the unusual, that's part of why
>> I'm an AMC fan to begin with!
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> AMC-List mailing list
>> AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list
>>
>> or go to http://www.amc-list.com
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:52:52 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <000001c68e9c$d8df40f0$acdd0d82@john1>
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SNIP
where would i be able to find poly bushings for the front of my 62
classic?
SNIP
www.espo.com <http://www.espo.com/>
PROTHANE 1-888-PROTHANE for more information or http://www.prothane.com/
http://www.classicone.com/wsc/catalog/amc_x.htm
These are just some sources that can supply AMC polyurethane suspension
parts.
SNIP
is there anywhere that has trunnion kits for
less than 130-150 EACH??
SNIP
No, not if you want them to be any good at all. There are instruction
sheets or information on ordering parts and rebuilding them you're self
though, but rebuilt units are not cheap so expect to pay for them.
SNIP
on another subject, does anyone know how strong the t-5's that came in
the
jeep cj's are?
SNIP
These units are not known for their reliability in a jeep or any other
AMC application!
As far as rebuild capability there are plenty of web sites that feature
T5 rebuilding information, check them out.
http://www.5speeds.com/t5/index.html
http://www.merkurencyclopedia.com/Trans,Diff/transmission.html
http://www.5speeds.com/
http://www.keislerauto.com/
These are just some. Use a Yahoo search and go look for T5 +Borg Warner
+Jeep or AMC or Ford
SNIP
I like where the shifter is positioned on the jeep t5. i can retain my
bench seats.
SNIP
I don't know why you can't retain your bench seat with a Mustang unit,
it sure clears the Arm Rest In my Javelin just fine and it has lived for
10 years behind a cooking version of a 390.
dave stohler
SNIP
camp taji iraq
SNIP
Good Luck and come home safe.
John.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 04:05:16 -0000
From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: das24rules@xxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
<8B4C911BEBA5E24888E353FF362B9E7702E65F8A@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Dave, the trunnion kits for your car shouldn't be that high. You're
looking at 64+ American/Javelin/AMX trunnions. Yours are very different
from those. They don't cost as much -- Galvin's has them listed for $91
each without the thrust bearing. Take the thrust bearing to any bearing
supply and they can match a similar replacement. The industrial
replacement won't be sealed, but the grease will keep water and most
dirt out. The non-sealed bearing probably wouldn't last 40 years in
normal traffic, but should last that long with occasional driving, 10-20
years every day driving. The originals can often be cleaned in solvent
then reused.
I'm reasonably certain that the poly bushings for 64-69 big cars will
fit the 62. The lower control arm bushing should be the same as an AMX.
But I wouldn't recommend poly bushings if this is going to mainly be a
cruiser. The car will ride harsher. I use poly bushings only on the sway
bar. You especially don't want poly bushings on the strut rod. Every pot
hole can be felt through the floor (tried that!). If this is going to be
a road racer it would probably be worth the sacrifice. It won't hurt for
the front end to be a little more compliant than the rear.
I'm not sure about the strength of the Jeep T-5. Should be a standard
T-5, nothing special. That means it's as strong as a non-world class
Mustang T-5, and should hold up under a mild 304 as long as you aren't
banging the gears to hard. Down-shifting puts more strain on the trans
than up-shifts, by the way. Be a little careful on down-shifting,
especially into first and second. Your car should weigh a bit less than
an 80s Mustang, around the same at the most. There are a couple T-5
sites that have specs, a search should turn some up.
On my hotrodders.com site there are pics of two different light blue 63
Classic wagons. The one the got hit is the one without the flames. It
also has different wheels than the flamed one. Other than wheels,
flames, Jag axle, and T-bird rack and pinion steering, the two cars are
the same. I salvaged the engine, trans, interior, and all underhood
components from the wrecked car. That Jag axle cost me $100 at a salvage
yard, complete. Then it took $800 to replace the rotors, one caliper
(one was rusted tight, the other got a $20 rebuild kit), all seals,
outers hub bearings, and the gear set. The gears were the big part --
$150 for a used set of 3.55 gear (on a limited slip carrier, but they
make a little noise!), and $150 for a shop to properly set the gear
lash. I didn't want to risk messing anything up there! So I basically
had to rebuild the thing, though all the bushings, differential
bearings, and u-joints were good. I had to pay a machine shop $75 to
press the bearings on the hubs too, but that's included in the $800.
Since I got nice rear discs, I figure the independent rear was worth it.
I'd have had $600 in a rear axle with the right gears, disc brakes, and
a four link setup anyway -- even using springs in the stock location
(you can still do that, by the way, instead of coil overs if you haven't
bought them yet).
Enlisted military married income isn't much better, but then I'm an E-7
w/23 years in. Of course pay will be cut by 2/3 in a year when I retire
from service. I hope to get enough shop work I don't have to work
anywhere else, but will likely get at least a part time job for a couple
years.
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Date: Monday, June 12, 2006 09:22 AM
From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
where would i be able to find poly bushings for the front of my 62
classic? i
have found the rubber ones. also, is there anywhere that has trunnion
kits for
less than 130-150 EACH?? will amx a arm bushings work for my a arms? or
are
they different? maybe some of you have been following my plans on the
suspension. if i go with rubber bushings, i feel i will be defeting some
of my
purpose. the triangulated rearend kit i got is poly.
on another subject, does anyone know how strong the t-5's that came in
the
jeep cj's are? will they stand going behind a 304 with mild usual bolt
ons. if
not, gears and rebuild kits from say a mustang should fit right in
right?? i
like where the shifter is positioned on the jeep t5. i can retain my
bench
seats.
frank, i stumbled on your bright blue wagon pics on hotrodders.com. it
is
beautiful. is that the same one in all the pics with the flames that got
totaled? i didnt see any flames on the one that got wrecked. i found
your
article on putting jag rearend in also. i need to stop stumbling across
your
stuff.... your making me contemplate things.... hehe. did that jag rear
ride
well back there? i have thought about a hiedts rear but i cant drop that
kinda
green. enlisted military single income... sucks. anyway. all take
care and
have good day.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 04:09:46 -0000
From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC List Bounces
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <jeff.thomas@xxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<8B4C911BEBA5E24888E353FF362B9E7702E65F8B@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Jeff, this just means that messages sent to your mail box were boiunced
back to the list server as undeliverable. Your service could have been
down at the time, or your mail box full. The re-confirm messages are
part of the automatic house keeping of the list software. It tries to
send a couple times, then waits and sends the reconfirm message a couple
times (spread apart a day or so) before deleting your address.
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Date: Monday, June 12, 2006 09:52 AM
From: Thomas, Jeff <jeff.thomas@xxxxxxxx>
What does "bounce" mean ? I'm not doing anything on my end other than
reviewing people's posts and maybe, a total of 3 times posting myself.
Before I follow the steps below I want to know if this email is
legitimate and how/why people are perceiving me as a "bouncer".
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 04:19:38 -0000
From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] decoding vin info
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <sacranoidclub@xxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<8B4C911BEBA5E24888E353FF362B9E7702E65F8C@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> here is the info for the car.
> 1966 rambler amirican 4 door with a str 6, 3 speed the
> tree, drums on all four wheels.
>
> vin
> A6KS50A157867
>
> BODY
> 077516
>
> MODEL
> 6605
>
> TRIM
> 628-C
>
> PAINT
> 20-A
>
> UNDER THAT IS
> EU05984
>
> THE CAR HAS 14 INCH TIRES AND RIMS,
> WOULD YOU KNOW OF ANY OTHER RIMS FROM OTHER CAR
> COMPANYS THAT I MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET SOME BIGGER RIMS
> FOR THIS CAR FROM JUNKYARD DIGGING?
Go to www.amcrc.com and look under Tech Info. The VIN decoding is in an
article there. The body number is the order the body came out of the
body plant. Model number breaks down to 1966 (66), Series 01 (0 -
American), 4 doord sedan (6). The trim number indicates the year (6 =
last number of year) and seat type and color (2 = bench seat, I think 8
is black and white?). The -C indicates cloth seats (cloth and vinyl). I
don't have the code for the paint handy, but 20 is the color, A
indicates acrylic enamel. The last number is the Final Assembly Number.
That "U" should be another "0". E is for the East assembly line at
Kenosha, and it was the 5984th car to come off the East line for the 66
model year. All models were mixed on the same line, so it wasn't the
5984th American. The last six digits of the VIN indicate it was the
157,867th car ordered b an AMC dealer, it has nothing to do with
production sequence. IIRC the 66 and later VINs were total number of
cars, not total for that model.
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 04:34:02 -0000
From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Gone Fishing ? (from ADMIN)
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<8B4C911BEBA5E24888E353FF362B9E7702E65F8E@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
All, Please refrain from answering such posts on the list! Tom or I will
take care of obvious inappropriate posts. The original poster was
informed that any further inappropriate posts will result in moderation
-- meaning that no posts will go through without an admin's approval
first.
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:05:45 -0700
From: "Jamie Smith" <oconner51@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 1968 Rebel in Couerdalene, ID area-NOT MINE
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV959C90D0F8551F1056306BF8C0@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Sure wish I had the space ad the cash for this one, I would love to give it a home. Hope someone can rescue it. There are pictures in the ad.
Jamie
Spokane, WA.
http://spokane.craigslist.org/car/170695952.html<http://spokane.craigslist.org/car/170695952.html>
1968 amc rebel 770 2 door hard top. Very clean original car, no rust, original paint, trunk full of OEM. parts. To many project forced to sell. Great project needs motor and trans. Clean title.
Call Casey, 509 325 4558 ex 102
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 04:50:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Thomas Sardeson <tdsardi@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 1968 rebel
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060613115042.8034.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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selling son and I,s project fresh o/h on 304 and 904 transmission, lots of new parts suspension, brakes, etc. running and needs to be dialed in . just can not find time to finish . 95% done can be seen near river falls wis. 3100 obo
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