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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Water temp unit (John Elle)
   2. Re: Emergency sale of '68 Jeepster (Glenn Ford)
   3. Steve Schall Update (Jock J Jocewicz)
   4. Re: Water temp unit (Tom Jennings)
   5. AMX & Javelin stuff for sale (Eddie Stakes)
   6. Spirit wanted (Eddie Stakes)
   7. emergency brake pedal and wiring wanted (Eddie Stakes)
   8. parts wanted & engine & parts for sale (Eddie Stakes)
   9. parting out 69 Ambassador, 390, AT (Eddie Stakes)
  10. IMSA AMC wanted (Eddie Stakes)
  11. AMX seat tracks wanted (Eddie Stakes)
  12. my 62 classic custom  project (d stohler)
  13. Re: Water temp unit (Sandwich Maker)
  14. Please excuse the test... (jackbarncord@xxxxxxx)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:56:11 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Water temp unit
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <000701c689dd$f32c1cd0$18dd0d82@john1>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

SNIP
Jay wrote:
> Now I know why AMC moved the temp sending unit from thr front of the
head
> back to the rear of the head.  The darn fan cools the unit off so much
up
> front, you never get an accurate reading.  This is on the 232 /258
engines
SNIP
 
I am not sure that is really a valid reason, the sensor is buried deep
into the head and in the water jacket. I don't think any of the air
coming from the fan would have much of an affect on the reading of the
sensor due to the mass of the head and the water.  If I had a question
to ask, how valid is reading off of the top back corner of the cylinder
head. Water flow has got to be less than wonderful in that location.
Bottom line for me is, my 1980 AMX gauge and readings are just as good
as the readings in my 1980 Spirit with a 1975 engine. I don't really
think that they are all that accurate anyway.
 
SNIP
Does anyone know if there are different value senders? 
SNIP
 
Here are readings used to test gauges from 3 different TSMs. 1970, 1974
and 1980 plus the gauge packages. 
 
Given the test equipment available in 1970 my guess is that the 1970 and
1974 use the same sensor. The 1980 uses a different sensor and the gauge
package different again as the voltages are different using the gauge
package.
 
 
1970 TSM values:
73 ohms cold  125F
35 Ohms operating band cold side 165F
13 Ohms operating band High side.  235F
9 Ohms Hot. 267F
Specifications for Hornet
 
1974 TSM 
73 Ohms Cold 130F
35 Ohms 171F degree, beginning of band.
13 Ohms 242F degree, top of band. 
9 Ohms 270F degree, hot.
Specifications for a Hornet
 
1980 TSM Values 
353 Ohm Cold, 147 Degree F 
192 Ohm Bottom of Band, 180 degree F
73.9 Ohm top of band, 242 degree F 
45.2 Ohm Hot, 280 degree F
Specifications for a Spirit, AMX, Concord and Eagle. 
 
Accuracy is supposed to be +/- meter needle width.
 
Gauge Package temperature gauge sending unit.
114 Ohm 190 degree F. 
48.8 ohm 280 degree F. 
 
Keep in mind that as you go through the '70's smog control was aided by
running the engine hotter so there has to be some playing around with
that reasoning. 
 
My Spirit uses a 1975 engine with the heat sensor located up front, the
gauge sensor screwed into the back of the head fits the hole in the
front of the engine just fine. The Fuel Injection wants a 195F
thermostat which is installed in a replacement thermostat housing that
was also designed to hold the heat sensor for the fuel injection engine
controls. Due to an interference with the A/C brackets that was not
possible to do so a plan B was used. Plan B was suggested by the fuel
injection installation instructions. A fitting was procured that fit
into the heater hose going to the heater control valve which is
controlled by the A/C controls. Water flows constantly through this line
and is directed back into the engine when the heater is not used. Eg.
Off and A/C are being used. A non-A/C Spirit will not have this valve
but water will flow continuously through the heater as cabin heat is
adjusted by mixing fresh air with the heated air from the heater core
rather than adjusting the hot water flow. 
 
Engine heat was stabilized by having a 3 core radiator built, installing
a fan shroud (there was not one on this car) and using a functioning
clutch fan. The temperature gauge sits constant at mid scale with very
little fluctuation. Today it was 112F, the car runs cool. With out the
radiator fan shroud the engine would run hot when sitting at stop lights
with the A/C going on triple digit days. 
 
The car needed a new radiator. Surprise! A 20 year old beater really
does not have much of a good radiator left in it. A new 2 core radiator
went into the AMX also due to advanced plugging of the factory radiator.
But lacking A/C a new aftermarket A/C radiator (bigger) went in with a
fan shroud. This car did not have a fan shroud either but it did have a
little weenie non-A/C radiator.
Fan Shrouds were easily available from junkyard Eagles. An I-6 and V8
Fan Shroud is different as the I-6 fan is just a bit off center, but if
you are careful on the mounting of them they will work with the OEM fans
when swapped back and forth.
John
 
 
 
 
 


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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 21:26:50 -0600
From: "Glenn Ford" <gcmford@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Emergency sale of '68 Jeepster
To: "mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <002e01c689e2$374e2440$6501a8c0@ARCNSPARKNB>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

Ran into a little trouble posting, so this might be old news now, but the
symptom is still worth noting as we sometimes take for granted that the 
clutch
is good if it engages.


"The clutch doesn't slip.
It just doesn't want to release easily."

This is classic 'worn out clutch' symptom. If worn down  to the grooves, the
clutch disc will be sucked along with the flywheel and pressure plate. The
grooves were there to allow air to come between them to break the vacuum . I
had that exact thing happen  to me with a Suzuki. I could not believe it
could be so impossible to shift, but replaced it and all was well! Pedal
adjustment was good before changing the disc, so I know that was all that
was wrong. Hope that is the case here.

Glenn Ford 



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:39:47 -0500
From: Jock J Jocewicz <namdra@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Steve Schall Update
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060606.233948.-16275865.0.NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

This evening I, Larry Daum, my daughter Jennifer and granddaughter Kristy
went to Steve Schall's wake. What a crowd there!!

Around 7:00pm, the priest had his thing and then Steve's son, Steve Jr.,
spoke for the family at length and the thing I remember most about what
he had to say about his father was (not the exact words, but close) are:

If Steve would of worked for General Motors, Chrysler or Ford, more
Americans would be buying American cars!

Jock Jocewicz - President/Editor NAMDRA     NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx
8537 Antioch Rd., Salem, WI 53168 (262) 843-4326
          JOIN NAMDRA, the best AMC club around!!!
'06 AMC NATIONALS - SEP. 14-16, 2006 - CORDOVA DRAGWAY PARK, CORDOVA, IL
AMO#19, NAMDRA#46, AMCRC#974,  NHRA#41915, IHRA#6766


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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:56:14 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Water temp unit
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1149656175.13712.2.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

Some idiot (me) wrote:
> SNIP
> Does anyone know if there are different value senders? 
> SNIP

On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 19:56 -0700, John Elle wrote:
> Here are readings used to test gauges from 3 different TSMs. 1970, 1974
> and 1980 plus the gauge packages. 
> [many lines of useful info follow]

OK I guess sometimes I'm just dense. I have TSMs and could have looked
that up. THe answer is obvious thanks to your info.

I got the wrong #@$!~! sender in there. I'll unscrew my brain then the
sensor from the 1970 motor still laying in the yard.



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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 00:02:27 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMX & Javelin stuff for sale
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Michael C. Baumberger" <baumbergers@xxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <03ca01c689f0$c9f3eb00$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

68/69 Javelin/AMX parts I have several sets of kick panels, in black and 
brown. $10-$25 per set. Passenger side crash pad, has cracks but the grab 
handle is very good. $25. 68/69 Javelin rear reflector w/Jav. script, no 
plastic. has two broken spot welds but this part could be made show car nice 
with very little work. $40. AMX rear reflector some dings and cracked 
plastic. Fix it or use the left side to repair yours $25. 68 drivers seat 
w/guides $25. 69 passenger seat w/guides $25. 69 head rests only one is 
covered. $25 pair. 68 instrument covers one has a crack at the left corner 
and the other is good. $5-10. Black glove box doors one with the typical 
crack and one without. $10-30 All parts are + shipping and OBO but do not 
insult me, I know what the parts are selling for on Ebay. More to come in 
the next weeks. Thanks Eddie for the space. You are a true AMC guy.  Mike 
Baumberger baumbergers@xxxxxxxx 805-528-3884
=====================================
Anhyone interested in some of the parts please give Mike a shout above 
thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*email is currently HEAVY
Call if important*
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 00:03:18 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Spirit wanted
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: eclipse115@xxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <03cb01c689f0$ca390a50$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

Wanted- 1979-1983 AMC Spirit. I'm in Bloomington, Illinois(Central) and am 
looking for a Spirit Hatchback not much more than 300-400 miles away. I'm 
looking for one that runs and drives solid. Preferably one in decent shape 
and hopefully at least a six cylinder but will consider all available. I'm 
looking in the price range of $1000. We had one several years ago until some 
idiot jumped a median and totaled it. Looking for someone to help us get 
back into one of our favorite cars. Please let me know asap as we need a 
daily driver soon. Thanks in advance! Lindsey Smith eclipse115@xxxxxxxxx 
309-829-5349
==========================================
Anyone with any leads on Spirits give them a shout above, thanks.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*email is currently HEAVY
Call if important*
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 00:08:36 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] emergency brake pedal and wiring wanted
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: wude@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <03cf01c689f0$cb4b3da0$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

 Wanted:Complete E Brake warning light dash socket and wiring to E Brake 
pedal and to fuse panel. Headlight warning buzzer also plugs into this. 
Thanks Edward Kellogg wude@xxxxxxxxxxxxx  847-721-0130
=========================================
I believe this is for a 68 AMX, anyone with the stuff for sale bige Ed a 
shout thanks
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*email is currently HEAVY
Call if important*
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 00:05:47 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] parts wanted & engine & parts for sale
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: amxfreak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <03cd01c689f0$cabc1d00$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

i need a driver side front fender, a cluster that goes up to 140 on the 
speedo, a center concil with the hurse shifter, i also need an amx grille. 
if you have any parts email me at amxfreak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx  thanks travis p.s. 
i have a 304 engine w/ transmittion, i have a ssr grill, i also have the 
dana rear end, i have the 1971 tail lights but the back up light is broke. 
if you need a trunk deck with the spoiler or a sst hood. i also have a gas 
tank in desant sape. give me an email if you need anything.  travis 
amxfreak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
==========================================
anyone interested in the ad above please give Travis a shout, thanks
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*email is currently HEAVY
Call if important*
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 00:04:16 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] parting out 69 Ambassador, 390, AT
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <BaadAss73Gremlin@xxxxxxx>
Cc: jjocewicz@xxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <03cc01c689f0$ca7e29a0$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

 Parting out 69 Ambassador 2 dr. 106,000 miles. 390 engine $2500, M-12 Trans 
$250, air cleaner $220, Carter carb $225, complete power window set up 
including blue door panel and drivers mirror with long remote cable, 
everything you will need to convert including windows if necessary $500. 
Cruise control set up with everthing needed to convert, this will also fit 
AMX and Javelin) $300. Complete floor shifter set up $300. Tilt column for 
floor shift car(This will also fit AMX and Javelin) $500. Interior is blue. 
Contact me via e-mail if there is anything else you may want. This is a 
complete car right now. Most of these parts need some resto work but are 
well worth it. The car needs a restoration and is restorable. I will let the 
whole car go for $4000. Joe Jocewicz jjocewicz@xxxxxxxxxxx 
630-789-6063 -hm., 847-922-4440 cell
=================================================anyone interested in whole 
car or parts give Joe a shout above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*email is currently HEAVY
Call if important*
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 00:07:09 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] IMSA AMC wanted
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: adtarr@xxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <03ce01c689f0$cb0f9430$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

WANTED: IMSA race car or leads. Looking for original IMSA race car or a lead 
to one for sale. Any condition considered but would like to restore 
something back to race ready condition. There were quite a few of them back 
in the day and only a few have known where abouts today. So they should be 
out there somewhere. Maybe you have spotted a Gremlin, Pacer, or Spirit 
sitting in a scrap yard with an old roll cage in it...maybe you know someone 
who has one sitting next to a barn or in a lot....thanks for the space 
Eddie!!! Adam adtarr@xxxxxxxxx
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anyone with any leads on a car for sale give Adam a shout above thanks,  *PS 
I thought the guys at WSC on my vendors list had something for sale?
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*email is currently HEAVY
Call if important*
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 00:09:45 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMX seat tracks wanted
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: kort_j@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <03d001c689f0$cb9788e0$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

I need a set (both seats R&L) for 1970 AMX or Javelin front seat tracks. The 
current ones are rusted on the back mounts pretty seriously. Anyone have a 
nice set with the hardware, etc. Thanks for this service. John Kort 
kort_j@xxxxxxx 636 931 7432
=========================================
anyone with some good tracks for sale give John a shout above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*email is currently HEAVY
Call if important*
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 00:50:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] my 62 classic custom  project
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060607075053.80596.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

does anyone know where i would get ahold of a 12 volt solenoid and govoner for a borg warner r10 overdrive unit? i can not find any at the online parts stores. napaonline, partsamarica, (aka autozone, advance auto) i just bought a t86 and r10 combo, overdrive does not have solonoid or govoner. thanks for the help.
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:22:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Water temp unit
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200606071122.k57BMYX04116@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

" From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
" 
" Fan Shrouds were easily available from junkyard Eagles. An I-6 and V8
" Fan Shroud is different as the I-6 fan is just a bit off center, but if
" you are careful on the mounting of them they will work with the OEM fans
" when swapped back and forth.

iirc the eagle motor was mounted a bit off center, because of the
front drive components.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought


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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 11:30:16 +0000
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Please excuse the test...
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC List)
Message-ID:
	<060720061130.6134.4486B8C7000E80F4000017F621602813020B9D010C029D0E0D050C0E06@xxxxxxx>
	

This is a test, this is only a test.  Had this been an actual email information would have been included in this portion.
Jack Barncord


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