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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Non AMC Power Steering Question (Robert Sliko)
   2. Nick's Old Truck (Nick ALFANO)
   3. test 2 (Jim Howard)
   4. Re: More on Ram Air (John Elle)
   5. More Valve Cover Woes (John Elle) (John Elle)
   6. Free ads (Jock J Jocewicz)
   7. Re: More Valve Cover Woes (John Elle) (Tom Jennings)
   8. Re: Non AMC Power Steering Question (Sandwich Maker)
   9. Re: Door Hinges.... (Safety Beams) (Mr. AMC)
  10. Last Emblem Restored (Mr. AMC)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:30:28 -0400
From: "Robert Sliko" <robert.sliko@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Non AMC Power Steering Question
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxx>
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The first I noticed it was just making noise,with no leaks.  The fluid was 
at the right level but looked real brown.  Manual says to use MERCON ATF.  I 
just used a turkey baster (wife will never know) to siphon out the old fluid 
in the resevoir and replace with new.  I cycled about 2 quarts through until 
the fluid I removed looked as red as what I was pouring in.  The steering 
sounded fine at that point, thought I might be lucky.  But now it seems to 
foam and blow out the resevoir, almost like the pump is cavitating or 
somehow forcing pressure out the suction side.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sandwich Maker" <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Non AMC Power Steering Question


>" From: "Robert Sliko" <robert.sliko@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " I have a 1999 Windstar that is making lots of whines and is foaming out 
> the
> " fluid through the resevoir.  I changed the fluid which seemed to help 
> for
> " one day, now it is back to spitting fluid out the resevoir.  So is it 
> the
> " pump or is it the rack, or what do I need to check?
>
> probably what you've got is air trapped somewhere in the ps system.
> the pump whines as the bubbles go through it, and when the system's
> off and they expand from 900psi back to 14.7 they make the reservoir
> overflow.
>
> i don't know if it could be sucking air from a crack or worn seal.
> that the problem recurred suggests that though.  did it leak any fluid
> that first day?
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
> internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:59:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Nick's Old Truck
To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Not sure what I will do with it yet.  If I did go the
resto mod route, it would only be to make this truck a
ride I could go anywhere in.  For the purist out
there, the truck has already been altered.  The back
half of the truck has been shortened and there is no
bed.  My assumption is it had a long bed (really long
like 10-12ft)like the 54 that was next to it.  Looks
like they might have been fire trucks or some sort of
military vehicle.  So the truck will never be
completely original again.  Plus, the max speed on
these things is about 45-50 and it takes a year to get
there (although it would probably pull a house down). 
 

It does have cool lines.  With the right touch, it
could really be something.  Would be a perfect
candidate for Chip Foose and the Overhaulin team.  Who
knows, might just keep it the way it is and drive it
to shows.

I know where some of you are coming from.  I am one to
turn away from most AMC cars that have anything other
than an AMC power plant in it.  Might be because I
have not seen one that I really liked or was truly
unique.  Keep in mind, the truck has already been
altered to be more like a truck and not a 1&1/2 ton
monster it was so anything I do to it will not change
that fact.    

Nick Alfano
Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
262-308-1302


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 21:45:30 -0500
From: "Jim Howard" <johnnydude518@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] test 2
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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test

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:46:56 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] More on Ram Air
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <000001c66e5b$db9f0930$a4dd0d82@john1>
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ARMAND
SNIP
 I know the duct work and scoops are now being reproduced, and the
vacuum actuator is available from somewhere
because Ford used the same part.
SNIP
I personally do not know whether Ford Used the same part but apparently
the same vacuum solenoid was used by the Hornet for heater control. It
requires the mounting bracket to be re-bent to mount in the ram air
position. I have the one on my Donohue configured to be open all of the
time and it has been that way for about 15 years or better. It was
originally functional but the factory had a requirement to pass smog, so
if you do not have to meet that requirement or the smog check boys do
not catch it or care open all the time works. 
SNIP
I think I could fabricate my own door and linkages, Just not sure about
the air cleaner body and top and the controls.
SNIP
I think at this time most of the plastic parts are being reproduced, not
sure completely, I know the gasket is. However the air cleaner bowl can
be fabricated from junk yard parts with a little creativity. You need a
14 inch diameter air cleaner bowl. The height of the sides will have to
be determined for your own applications. The variables are the
carburetor and intake manifold you are using and the particular bowl you
find. You need a mounting plate (bowl mount) that gives you a 10 inch
flat spot around the top of the carburetor. This will allow you to use a
10 inch open filter which is what many AMC I-6 engines used. The height
of the filter is perfect if you are using an AFB and an Air Gap
manifold, other heights can be found by going through filter application
books. If you are unable to find a used 14 inch bowl with the right side
heights and fits your 4bbl you can do some grafting depending on how
good your skills are. I used a 1966 Plymouth Satellite 318 2bbl bowl and
fitted it onto the bottom of an Edelbrock chrome air cleaner mount and
installed the "Chimney" so that it appeared factory and it all fits and
looks correct. I am sure you can find a 10 inch filter cap that can be
chromed, I have seen a bunch of them and they might even be made for
aftermarket. 
It can be done! But it probably won't be cheap.
John
 


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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:54:22 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] More Valve Cover Woes (John Elle)
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <000501c66e5c$e5600680$a4dd0d82@john1>
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TOM
SNIP
As usual, TMI on this subject:
SNIP
Thanks for the URL
Unbelievable, who would have thunk it! That valve cover looks like the
one that I installed on an '81 Spirit and it did fit a whole lot better
on that car. However drilling the holes in the head to put the mounting
screws in was a less than satisfactory endeavor when tried with the
engine still in the car. 
I have played with at least one example of an after market plastic valve
cover. It seemed to be well made and the mounting hardware made sense
etc. however the weak spot was still that bogus goo recommended to try
to seal the valve cover to the head. The OEM plastic valve cover
suffered from heat fatigue and cracks after a short period of time.
Today's plastics are probably superior for almost all applications. They
sure hold up better here in the desert heat anyway. To reiterate though
for Doc's question, I have not run across an interference problem with
assorted valve covers and engine combinations but I have to admit, I
have not experienced the fun of trying to install a Jeep after market
aluminum valve cover on an 81 or newer AMC I-6 installed a 1970 Hornet.
But I will remember to pass on the opportunity if it should occur. 
I did however look up in my '70 TSM to see if there were any specific
instructions called out for changing or removing the valve cover and I
found no mention of the subject what so ever!
John
 
 


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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 23:27:53 -0500
From: Jock J Jocewicz <namdra@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Free ads
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060502.232813.-16331793.2.NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I an finishing up the latest NAMDRA newsletter and have about 3/4 page
room left in the ad section so if any of you have an ad for AMC cars,
parts, literature etc. for sale or wanted, send me your ad a.s.a.p.

Jock Jocewicz - President/Editor NAMDRA     NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx
8537 Antioch Rd., Salem, WI 53168 (262) 843-4326
          JOIN NAMDRA, the best AMC club around!!!
'06 AMC NATIONALS - SEP. 14-16, 2006 - CORDOVA DRAGWAY PARK, CORDOVA, IL
AMO#19, NAMDRA#46, AMCRC#974,  NHRA#41915, IHRA#6766


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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 23:18:50 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] More Valve Cover Woes (John Elle)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1146637130.5449.8.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 19:54, John Elle wrote:
> TOM
> SNIP
> As usual, TMI on this subject:
> SNIP

TMI squared!

> Thanks for the URL
> Unbelievable, who would have thunk it! That valve cover looks like the
> one that I installed on an '81 Spirit and it did fit a whole lot better
> on that car. However drilling the holes in the head to put the mounting
> screws in was a less than satisfactory endeavor when tried with the
> engine still in the car. 

I did it with the engine assembled, but on a stand. It would have been
impossible to get that rear one tapped.

Even with a plug tap, there's not a lot of leeway in bolt length; if you
look closely at my setup you'll see I have two lockwashers to adjust
thread depth; I could have cut bolts to length but I'm lazy and while
this is inelegant it's reliable and repeatable.

The 1970 Hornet is unique, even from 71 and 72. All sorts of little
things are "off", gas caps, etc. It's sort of a 69-1/2 American. Most if
the differences between 70 and 71-72 are cosmetic though. 

> > but I have to admit, I
> have not experienced the fun of trying to install a Jeep after market
> aluminum valve cover on an 81 or newer AMC I-6 installed a 1970 Hornet.

I seem to specialize in pointlessly, needlessly, complex tasks. Ergo,
the '70 232 in the '63 Classic -- in 1988, with noone to ask, I had to
rummage around to figure out I needed a V8 x-member. Stupid task.



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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 06:43:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Non AMC Power Steering Question
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200605031043.k43AhIL02724@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

" From: "Robert Sliko" <robert.sliko@xxxxxxxxxxx>
" 
" The first I noticed it was just making noise,with no leaks.  The fluid was 
" at the right level but looked real brown.  Manual says to use MERCON ATF.  I 
" just used a turkey baster (wife will never know) to siphon out the old fluid 
" in the resevoir and replace with new.  I cycled about 2 quarts through until 
" the fluid I removed looked as red as what I was pouring in.  The steering 
" sounded fine at that point, thought I might be lucky.  But now it seems to 
" foam and blow out the resevoir, almost like the pump is cavitating or 
" somehow forcing pressure out the suction side.

i keep thinking it must have a crack, loose fitting, bad o-ring or
something, on the suction side of the pump, so that it can pull a
little air into the fluid.  but i'm baffled why it took a day for the
foaming to recur.

the other time foaming happens is when there's a leak on the pressure
side; when the fluid level gets low enough the pump pulls air from the
reservoir, but this clearly isn't your problem.

" ----- Original Message ----- 
" From: "Sandwich Maker" <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" 
" 
" >" From: "Robert Sliko" <robert.sliko@xxxxxxxxxxx>
" > "
" > " I have a 1999 Windstar that is making lots of whines and is foaming out the
" > " fluid through the resevoir.  I changed the fluid which seemed to help for
" > " one day, now it is back to spitting fluid out the resevoir.  So is it the
" > " pump or is it the rack, or what do I need to check?
" >
" > probably what you've got is air trapped somewhere in the ps system.
" > the pump whines as the bubbles go through it, and when the system's
" > off and they expand from 900psi back to 14.7 they make the reservoir
" > overflow.
" >
" > i don't know if it could be sucking air from a crack or worn seal.
" > that the problem recurred suggests that though.  did it leak any
" > fluid that first day?
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought


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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 06:54:03 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Door Hinges.... (Safety Beams)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <2325-44588BCB-2145@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII

Frank thanks for almost clearing up the Javelin bumper question for me
but wasent 73 the year all cars had to have a front 5 mph bumper? I know
on 73 Hornet's the rear 5 mph bumper was an option and mandatory in 74.
I know the Hornet info from looking into buying a 73 but I ended up
buying a 74 instead.
"Doc"



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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 07:13:28 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] Last Emblem Restored
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, amc_club_of_socal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
	BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
	AmericanMotorsModelbuilders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
	MacsOrphanCarGroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <2324-44589058-4514@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII

I finished painting the last color on the plastic red/white/blue AMC
emblem insert yesterday and will glue it into the main emblem today.
I'll install that one and the other metal one thursday or friday. After
a 2 1/2 week hiatus from the grill resto job I have to get cracking on
that as I have 1 month to finish it and install it for the Ardsley AMC
show june 4'th. I needed a break from the grill job. Luckily all the
plastic repairs are done and it is 90% sanded down now. I can't begin to
tell you what a tediously boring time consuming job this grill has been.
Oh I guess I have. :-)~
"Doc"



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