glen - thanks for spotting postal-jeep.com; that's who i was looking for. tried to reply directly but your isp is blocking me. From: hoag@xxxxxx " From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx " " >first is the iron warner, cousin to the ford fmx. used behind the 196 " >before about '62 when the aluminum tranny appeared; converter housing " >the same except for dowel holes but dunno about flexplate or converter. " >you could presumably use a v8 converter somehow. you'd probably have " >better luck finding a postal jeep with the setup; iirc they made a run " >of them in the mid '70s with the old-style 232 and iron tranny. i " >learned that from postaljeep.com, but it doesn't seem to exist any more. " " Are you thinking of postaljeep.net? Or maybe there was a postal jeep " history site at postaljeep.com. Anyway, I've driven past " postaljeep.net's yard; they are about 60 miles from here. They have " a bunch of them. i wasn't, but i found them too. i guess you are in a position to confirm that the dj5b/c did indeed still use the old-style '64-'71 block, or not. do they rebuild warner autos? do they know the ways they can be beefed for severe duty? or do they not get into them at all? ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought