Jerry, Congratulations on your purchase but I have some advice. You can take this with a grain of salt, but please recognize that I am a Libra (a lover not a fighter). Make friends with the garage guys across the alley. Let them know what you plan to do about the fence and see if you can work out a compromise from the start. Offer them the opportunity to pay for a gate or other accomodation in the fence to allow them free access to their OWN doors. Allow them to have a key if a gate is used. Don't impede their business if you can absolutely avoid it. That way you have allies instead of enemies watching your property. They are there every business day and they can watch your property for you. They can keep an eye out for other AMCs which you might want to add to your collection. They can help you sell any of your castoffs. Think about it man. Joe Fulton Salinas, CA --- Jerry Casper <gremlingts@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Yee-haw! Another thing I could use > some help with to maximize efficiency is the layout > of > the fence and the gate(s). It'll be a narrow alley, > with a car repair garage across from me, they'll > hate > me for building the fence out to the alley, but it's > legal, so it'll be THEIR problem getting in and out > of > their doorways. THEIR building is built out to the > alley asphalt as well. WIll make it interesting for > them to deal with, I'm sure. HEre's what I am > thinking > of for fence / gate design : > . > [__/ \___/ > > ________________ > > Looking from left to right, the first slanted > indent > ( forward slash ) will be the FENCE itself, the > right > side slant ( back-slash ) will be the gate. Since > the > alley isn't that wide, and I"m planning on rollback > or > trailer access, in order to prevent needing a 20' > wide > gate, I'm making a triangular "pocket" in the back > fence so the rollback or trailer can back into the > lot > easier from an angle. It will only take out about a > 5' > or so piece from the lot. I don't think I'll lose > much > car space this way, and I'll have WAY easier access > to > the place. I could make it so there are TWO gates, > one > either way, but figured one is cheaper the first go > round ( depends on where I put my shop door, anyway > ). > So, please make comments if you have any. > Wasn't as hard as I thought it would be, > small-town > area, small court house, got the paperwork done and > signed off, all within a few hours ( try THAT in a > big > city! ). At around 3:45 PM Monday, I had my new > deed, > with the wife's and my name on it. > Took 2 rolls of film inside and out, showing the > mess and deteriorated condition , mostly plumbing > and > ceiling. "Garage" is fairly neat, and useable "as > is", > will need the Big Door cut out, but otherwise, other > than a minor roof sag where it joins the main > building > ( which I can probably re-repair, as it looks like > they've shored it up before, has water damage there > ), > it looks pretty tight. I climbed a ladder to the > first > ( garage ) roof, looked over the top, it is a rolled > "shingle" composite, it looks like. or all one > piece, > the ladder wasn't big enough to climb onto teh roof > totally, so I just looked at it from the top rungs. > Looked ok shape, except for the sagging area. I will > hopefully address that in the near future. I"ll get > a > taller ladder from my Dad's house , and bring it > down. > > Well, I still have alot on my plate to do today - > pick up the "new" '94 Jeep, get it titled, > inspected, > emissioned, and insured. Hopefully it'll be fully > "mine" and legal by this afternoon. So, off I go, > catch ya'll later. > > Jerry in Virginia > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >