the REAL fun begins! I need to get a privacy/security fence built asap, then start moving vehicles into the lot in back. No moving until the fence is complete, though! But at least the purchase is complete, and I now OWN a piece of property I can store some cars and loads of parts. Yee-haw! Another thing I could use some help with to maximize efficiency is the layout of the fence and the gate(s). It'll be a narrow alley, with a car repair garage across from me, they'll hate me for building the fence out to the alley, but it's legal, so it'll be THEIR problem getting in and out of their doorways. THEIR building is built out to the alley asphalt as well. WIll make it interesting for them to deal with, I'm sure. HEre's what I am thinking of for fence / gate design : . [__/ \___/ ________________ Looking from left to right, the first slanted indent ( forward slash ) will be the FENCE itself, the right side slant ( back-slash ) will be the gate. Since the alley isn't that wide, and I"m planning on rollback or trailer access, in order to prevent needing a 20' wide gate, I'm making a triangular "pocket" in the back fence so the rollback or trailer can back into the lot easier from an angle. It will only take out about a 5' or so piece from the lot. I don't think I'll lose much car space this way, and I'll have WAY easier access to the place. I could make it so there are TWO gates, one either way, but figured one is cheaper the first go round ( depends on where I put my shop door, anyway ). So, please make comments if you have any. Wasn't as hard as I thought it would be, small-town area, small court house, got the paperwork done and signed off, all within a few hours ( try THAT in a big city! ). At around 3:45 PM Monday, I had my new deed, with the wife's and my name on it. Took 2 rolls of film inside and out, showing the mess and deteriorated condition , mostly plumbing and ceiling. "Garage" is fairly neat, and useable "as is", will need the Big Door cut out, but otherwise, other than a minor roof sag where it joins the main building ( which I can probably re-repair, as it looks like they've shored it up before, has water damage there ), it looks pretty tight. I climbed a ladder to the first ( garage ) roof, looked over the top, it is a rolled "shingle" composite, it looks like. or all one piece, the ladder wasn't big enough to climb onto teh roof totally, so I just looked at it from the top rungs. Looked ok shape, except for the sagging area. I will hopefully address that in the near future. I"ll get a taller ladder from my Dad's house , and bring it down. Well, I still have alot on my plate to do today - pick up the "new" '94 Jeep, get it titled, inspected, emissioned, and insured. Hopefully it'll be fully "mine" and legal by this afternoon. So, off I go, catch ya'll later. Jerry in Virginia __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com