Re: Gremlin Garage II now a reality...ink is dry on paper, and now...

[farna@xxxxxxx]

A word of advice/caution -- go over your plans WITH your neighbors about the fence/gate, and let them know right away that you're wanting their input so the TWO OF YOU can work out an EQUITABLE solution that won't leave EITHER of you in a tight spot. If they aren't willing to work something out, well, you may not have a choice but to do what's best for you. But if they are ticked off because your fence blocks their access in a serious way, even if it IS legal, the cops will be over every time you make a little to much noise, or drag a car in that they don't think you should have, or if one stays to long, etc. Don't get off on the wrong foot with them, it will hurt you in the long run and could make your shop virtually worthless for what you want to do! 

It might be better if you have a pass through gate so they can go through your lot after getting in touch with you. I don't mean leave them a key, they will have to pre-arrange going through and can put their own chain and lock on the gate to their property (as well as your lock -- so neither can enter without the other). I'd offer that as a solution IF they are willing to pay the extra cost for the gate (difference between gate and fence, and show them the DIFFERENCE, not total cost of gate but gate -fencing cost you'd pay anyway. That will just mean you can't park something not moveable in front of the pass through gate, just something you can move with a day or two notice. 

When you get inside take pics of the roof where the damage is as well as good pics of the outside. I won't mind advising you on those repairs -- that's been my job in the past. Send me pics e-mail, or put them on a site I can get to (in case others here might have advice). Sounds like there may be problems where the roof structure attaches to the other building, but I may have a different mental picture from what's actualy there -- so photos will be needed. 

The roofing materila you describe is called "roll roofing". Basically it's a 30-36" wide continuous shingle, usually in 25-50 foot rolls. The roof is felted, then a line of roofing cement (2-3" wide) is laid along the lower edge and ends of the roof. The roll roofing is rolled out the width of the roof and nailed along the top edge only. Then a line of cement is put down along the top of the first roll (and ends) and the second line is rolled out and nailed at the top with a 6-12" overlap over the first row. You end with a double layer over the peak cemented down. There should be no exposed nails, but often people will nail the lower edge as well and cover the nails with a dab of roofing cement. Not the proper way, but it works. This is as good and maybe better than a standard shingle roof -- the material is the same. It doesn't look as good but goes on much faster. Fine for an outbuilding when you're not concerned about looks, and also works for almost flat roofs (under 4" !
 rise per foot of run, but at least 2" per foot).

On September 13, 2005 Jerry Casper wrote:

> the REAL fun begins! I need to get a privacy/security
> fence built asap, then start moving vehicles into the
> lot in back. No moving until the fence is complete,
> though! But at least the purchase is complete, and I
> now OWN  a piece of property I can store some cars and
> loads of parts. Yee-haw! Another thing I could use
> some help with to maximize efficiency is the layout of
> the fence and the gate(s). It'll be a narrow alley,
> with a car repair garage across from me, they'll hate
> me for building the fence out to the alley, but it's
> legal, so it'll be THEIR problem getting in and out of
> their doorways. THEIR building is built out to the
> alley asphalt as well. WIll make it interesting for
> them to deal with, I'm sure. 
<snip>
> than a minor roof sag where it joins the main building
> ( which I can probably re-repair, as it looks like
> they've shored it up before, has water damage there ),
> it looks pretty tight. I climbed a ladder to the first
> ( garage ) roof, looked over the top, it is a rolled
> "shingle" composite, it looks like. or all one piece,
> the ladder wasn't big enough to climb onto teh roof
> totally, so I just looked at it from the top rungs.
> Looked ok shape, except for the sagging area. I will
> hopefully address that in the near future. I"ll get a
> taller ladder from my Dad's house , and bring it down.

> Jerry in Virginia


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