Forwarded for John Mahoney: I'm back and see that, after another breakdown, the list is, as well. I've only a few minutes to annoy everyone now, so I'll be very brief. Jeep once aligned with "troubled" AMC; now with "troubled" Mercedes. http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml;jsessionid=14HRVUPWDOHXZQFIQM FCM5WAVCBQYJVC?xml=/money/2005/08/02/cnmerc02.xml&menuId=242&sSheet=/portal/2005 /08/02/ixportal.html Duesenberg was top-dollar in US; Duisenberg was top-euro in EU. http://www.dw-world.de/dw/briefs/0,1574,1664979,00.html Top German carmakers were impressed with both D & D. I'm impressed with R & D --- and with AM accuracy. Take a seat, >> Anybody know if the '77-'79 Monte Carlo featured 'Swivel' front buckets ? << and proceed. http://www.sunmanford.net/br_sp_photo/1973-77%20Chevrolet%20Monte%20Carlo%20Swiv el%20bucket%20seats.htm >> I'm not sure if Monte Carlo's had them or not but I know for a fact that Caprice's of that era had them and they got the down-sized body for 1977. One of my uncle's had a 77 or 78 Caprice with them. << Factory? By the book --- or buy the book! http://mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B28108.jpg http://mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B28172.jpg >> Early 60s cars had swivel seats, noting in hte 70s that I know of (but I don't know everything!). They were a feature on 61 T-birds I know for sure - a friend back home has one with swing-away steering column (before tilt -- column swings "in" for easier entry/exit) and swivel seats. << T-Bird's "Safety-Swivel Day-Nite Type Inside Rearview Mirror" (bonded to windshield!) and "Swing-Away Steering Wheel" ($25.10 extra!) swung for sixty-one; its seats didn't. Check its specifications and photos. http://automotivemileposts.com/tbird1961standardequipment.html http://automotivemileposts.com/tbird1961optionalequipment.html http://automotivemileposts.com/tbird1961interiortrim.html >> Thought only those 1960 Letter Series Chryslers had those........ << In 1959, 300E lost a [genuine] Hemi, got a [Golden Lion] wedgie, and debuted [standard] "Living Leather" [basket-weave patterned] 60-degree swiveling front seats. ('59 DeSoto Adventurer started swinging, also.) '59 Imperial Crown Southampton swiveled with options when "Uncle" Tom [McCahill, a Mechanix Illustrated scribe who paved the macadam for all those too-cool-car-cats-with-computers out in publishing today] wrote: "This doll was as loaded as an opium peddler during a tong war..." "Swivel seats make it as easy to get into as a floating crap game with fresh money..." "The finest car built in America, and I've been testing cars for a long time." Imagine what he would write about 1960! http://www.movit.de/images/imp60ifd.jpg http://www.movit.de/images/imp60if.jpg http://www.movit.de/images/imp60is.jpg Swivel, buttons, electroluminescence http://www.movit.de/images/imp60d1.jpg AND a phone? The USA in its heyday! http://www.movit.de/images/impdani.jpg But don't forget: '55 Delta concept showed aluminum roof, twin tanks, and swivel seats; http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/images/New14/55Olds.jpg (If you can find a better pic, post it, or adapt a "twin" Buick) http://www.autoweteran.gower.pl/concept/1956_Buick_Centurian.jpg '56 RAT Pack had aluminum roof, twin fins, and swivel seats also. To sit pretty in AM circles, either buy the book, http://www.meinesammlung.com/php/details/16304/ or learn the AM ropes the GM-Packard-Mopar route. http://www.autoweteran.gower.pl/concept/1956_Packard_Predictor.jpg http://www.desoto58.com/dreamcar/dreampack56.html BTW, there were two different Chrysler swivel seats: upper frames were shared; seatbacks (folding or non-folding for two- or four-door usage) and seat chassis (manual or six-way power) varied. Early swivel seats were cable-linked to door-jamb-mounted vertical leaf springs (or were they torsion bars? --- I cannot remember) and would automatically swivel when doors were opened; safety concerns led later seats to use levers. BTW also, to try to compete with Chrysler, Toyota put both a swivel seat and a 2.2L into its '86 minivans. Chrysler turbo-ed a 2.6 and then added two more cylinders, but Toyota, Honda, and Nissan now build America's most-lauded (and desired) minivans. Mopar may move more units, but it does so by lowering prices --- exactly the way AMC sold itself out of the car business when it priced its '83 Spirits and Concords. Fire sale is not a way to build for a future. Product is. Product with style. Those who don't learn from history... (Why bother? Why read?) Last weekend, there were two American Motors products at a 350+ vehicle WNY event: one AM for every twenty Vettes. It was NOT a Corvette show. One AM was unattended both times I stopped by it; the other car's owner was ready and willing with four-letter-word-laden presentation about how overpriced AM vendors can be. I almost wished I were still with the '53 Buick Skylark owner who knew nothing about his car's history, or the '60 Buick convertible owner who knew that his very car had carried Miss America contestants, but was equally interested in learning that a Nash convertible carried Marilyn Monroe (into some controversy) at the 1952 Atlantic City show. http://www.missamerica.org/competition-info/miss-america-parade.asp (I also wondered if the back seat of a restored '66 Coronet cop car would be a safe haven from the never-ending war of AMC-world words...) The weekend before, Cranbrook was a "Waterworld" until sunshine broke through (and a tree broke down upon sight of a Chevrolet HHR concept), http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/07/27/138525.14-lg.jpg with at least one leaf from AMC's family tree (if a '30 Willys-Knight qualifies) on the show field, where a green-and-black car ought to be. Leno didn't show, his Toro did: 1000-hp too much for wet grass. Lutz braved the weather and the still-lingering biz buzz (Are two, too many concours for Motown?): now Mr. Towns, both an officer and a gentleman, has a third outing to call a success. Cinematic "gold" starred James "SC/Rambler" Garner ("Grand Prix" beat "Le Mans" and "Bullitt" as the best-car-movie-of-all-time, so was shown) and history seemed "silver" (Bentley flew the 1907 AX-201 Silver Ghost over from the UK); all in all, a pretty safe and sane place to be. This weekend, Meadow Brook will be heaven-on-earth (or on eBay) http://69.93.131.247:8811/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx when Hudson, Essex, Nash Terraplane and a Teague Packard will be sold. Whether it rains or bakes, it won't shake, so it's the next best thing to the next big August weekend at Carmel. Cali may have climate, cash, and car culture; DEE-troit still has a class in American Automotive History 101. Too bad Kenosha hasn't paid attention to ITS past, like MI and IN and NY have. For wild-car lovers, the movie Merc ("Hey, Lay-dee!") that forecast a Rambler Edmund Anderson built just one of, will be available, as well. http://www.rmauctions.com/events/MB05.cfm When was a Met not a Nash? http://info.detnews.com/joyrides/index.cfm?action=carofweek >> Take a look at the AMC Inventory at this yard: http://www.roblins.net/ Marc << Take a look at the '70 Firenza (it's filed under "Vauxhall" not under "Olds") and you can learn something you probably didn't know about the Spirit of AMC. Twenty-to-one (odds and/or production numbers) maybe. You'll see. http://www.rise12.freeserve.co.uk/dsg/images/cxe_firenza.jpg >> If links don't work, just Google Minaker's Auto Parts. Both yards are located literally in the middle of Lake Ontario, north of Rochester NY. << On that island named AtlAMtis, In the literal Loch of Nash, Accessible only to AMCbees Gurgle, Gargle, and Glug. (Be careful what you write; someone might actually read it...) -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Independent Magazine" (AIM) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html (free download available!)