Tom, I have to agree with you. But guess what? The latest edition of Old cars Weekly (July 14, 2005) has in their Auction Express section a picture of a 63 Rambler 440-H hardtop and here it what it says: "This 1963 Rambler 440-H hardtop, one of the first Hurst edition cars from any marque, sold for $9,600 at the Leake Tulsa auction." Go figure! On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 06:08:31 -0400 TABunsey@xxxxxxx writes: > On July 9, 2005 JOE B FULTON wrote: > > > Was there a "hurst edition" ambassador in 1965? See > > this Ebay auction: 4560909299 > > > > Joe Fulton > > > > Salinas, CA > > > Joe: > > There NEVER was a "Hurst" anything Ambassador. > But, from 1963 thru 1965 Rambler put a "H" letter after the trim > level/series designation to identify the "prestiege model" in the > series. > > The "H" model ALWAYS designated a Hardtop body style, and I suspect > that "H" really just stood for "Hardtop" > > Back then, Rambler used numbers to designate trim level. Thus: > > American Series > > 220 was the base trim level (no chrome, rubber flor mats, etc) > 330 was the middle trim level (some chrome, carpet, more seating > choices, etc) > 440 was the highest trim (more chrome, nice interior, etc) > 440H was only in the hardtop body (bucket seats standard, etc) [1965 > 440H evolved into the "Rogue" for 1966] > > Classic Series > > 550 was the base model > 660 was the middle trim level > 770 was the high trim level > 770H, again only in the hardtop body, again highest trim and > options > > Ambassador series > > 880 was the base stripper model > 990 was the high-line model > 990H, again only in the hardtop body style. Again, bucket seats, 327 > 4-bbl standard, etc. > > I've owned several 440H and one 990H cars over the years. The level > of standard equipment with emphasis on "sporty" (at least a sporty > as Rambler could get) was as high as Rambler could provide. My 1964 > 440H came standard with bucket seats, console and the highest > horsepower engine in the American line (195.6 with the 2-bbl > option). > > Because Rambler used the "H" to designate these cars, and because > most car people associate "H" to mean "Hurst", people that don't > know much about Ramblers "assume" that the "H" must mean "Hurst". > > They are wrong > But these are the same people that see "327" on the car, and knowing > that "Chebby" had a 327, then deduce that the Rambler 327 must be a > "Chebby" product. > > How many people remember that the first Pontiac V8 was a 287? > Or that Packard had a 327? > Oh, that must have been a "Chebby" too! > Oh, wait a minute, the Packard was a straight-8, not a V8! > Huhh? > > > Anyway, > > Tom Bunsey > > > ============================================================= > Posted by wixList Archiver -- http://www.amxfiles.com/wixlist > > > > > > > Jock Jocewicz - President/Editor NAMDRA NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx 8537 Antioch Rd., Salem, WI 53168 (262) 843-4326 http://www.namdra.org JOIN NAMDRA, the best AMC club around!!! '05 AMC NATIONALS - SEP. 15-17, 2005 CORDOVA DRAGWAY PARK AMO#19, NAMDRA#46, AMCRC#974, NHRA#41915, IHRA#6766