Frank If you take a VIN tag off a car, you have just TAMPERED with it. The VIN and door tags are held in place by "rosette" rivets. These are security rivets, that are NOT supposed to fall in to the general public hands, WHY, because IF you take the numbers off of a car and put it on another one, you would have to attach the tag with something other then the special rivets, cop sees that, he knows the VIN has been TAMPERED with, and WHY would anybody do that. Stolen car...........???? Like I said before, I don't know all the laws on it, and yes they do rebody cars all the time, and yes people get away with it, BUT there are legal issues here. V.I.N. = vehicle IDENTIFICATION number. You could call this identity theft! Just like using a fake name, now go to the courts and have it LEGALLY changed. Andre " A.J." Jacobs, web page http://southtexasamc.tripod.com (830)-980-3165 , akjamc@xxxxxxxx Owner & Proprietor, South Texas AMC