" From: "Edwin Atwood" <javelin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> " " why not just use tremec 3650... i think it is!!! used it in my 68 jav and " only had to shorten input about 5/8 of an inch bolted right up to amc bell " [t-150] pattern ...these tranny's much better than w.c. or non w.c.and " definately better than those borg 4-sp's mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx has pre-shortened tremecs. the tremec was originally made to replace the srod toploader. for no apparent reason, ford made the inputs on these 5/8" longer than all the 3sp and 4sp toploaders that preceded them, including the t150 that amc used. tremec still makes the long inputs, but they also make chevy inputs [with tooling mike forte paid for] and for all i know, 'short' ford inputs too. but i know mike has had a local machine shop shorten inputs by the batch, probably a good deal cheaper than you could one-off, iirc $50 in the tranny. these don't have replaceable 5th like the t5, and until recently their gears roughly paralleled the stock 5.0 t5 ratios, but tremec has started making a close-ratio hd with an 0.83 5th [a little -too- close for my taste]. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought