Re: Not all T5s are created Equal, The right ones Are...............

["Joe Wyatt" <jwyatt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Mark, I think if you go to the FordMuscle car site.............. (Thanks to 
Craig for the site info) -

http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2002/09/transmissions/index.shtml

We can all get a little more confused here, ever one has an opinion on the 
T-5s.  I do see that even this site points to a HD T-5 (HD WC?) is used in 
the V-8s from 1983 and up, and the light duty T-5 (Light Duty NWC?) was used 
in 4-6 cylinder cars.  I will not comment on GM as I have been reviewing the 
Ford info today.  They do comment that 83 to 89s were rated at 265 lb.ft of 
torque, and the 90 to 93 were rated to 300 lb.ft of torque(93 Mustang Cobras 
got 310 lb.ft).  They do comment that the 1994s and latter T-5s are not 
desirable for older swaps because the input shaft length is longer and 
bell-housing were longer due to changes to the SN95 Mustangs body style.

Now after saying all that I have a T-5 Identification Chart that states the 
B/W ID 1352-115 79-83 Mustang 5.0 T-5 was rated at 305 lb.ft? with the gears 
1,2,3,4,5 = 2.95;1.94;1.34;1.00;0.63; input shaft length 7.18

B/W ID 1352-126 85 Mustang 5.0 T-5 was rated at 265 lb.ft? with the gears 
1,2,3,4,5 = 3.35;1.93;1.29;1.00;0.68; input shaft length 7.18
B/W ID 1352-141 86 Mustang 5.0 T-5 was rated at 265 lb.ft? with the gears 
1,2,3,4,5 = 3.35;1.93;1.29;1.00;0.68; input shaft length 7.18
B/W ID 1352-165 86 Mustang 5.0 T-5 was rated at 265 lb.ft? with the gears 
1,2,3,4,5 = 3.35;1.93;1.29;1.00;0.68; input shaft length 7.18
B/W ID 1352-169 86.5 - 89 Mustang 5.0 T-5 was rated at 265 lb.ft? with the 
gears 1,2,3,4,5 = 3.35;1.93;1.29;1.00;0.68; input shaft length 7.18
B/W ID 1352-199 90-91 Mustang 5.0 T-5 was rated at 300 lb.ft? with the gears 
1,2,3,4,5 = 3.35;1.99;1.33;1.00;0.68; input shaft length 7.18
B/W ID 1352-200 79-93 Mustang 5.0 T-5 was rated at 305 lb.ft? with the gears 
1,2,3,4,5 = 2.95;1.94;1.34;1.00;0.63; input shaft length 7.18
B/W ID 1352-202 79-93 Mustang 5.0 T-5 was rated at 305 lb.ft? with the gears 
1,2,3,4,5 = 2.95;1.94;1.34;1.00;0.80; input shaft length 7.18
B/W ID 1352-204 85-89 Mustang 5.0 T-5 was rated at 300 lb.ft? with the gears 
1,2,3,4,5 = 3.35;1.99;1.33;1.00;0.68; input shaft length 7.18
B/W ID 1352-208 92-93 Mustang 5.0 T-5 was rated at 300 lb.ft? with the gears 
1,2,3,4,5 = 3.35;1.99;1.33;1.00;0.68; input shaft length 7.18
B/W ID 1352-219 94 Mustang 5.0 T-5 was rated at 300 lb.ft? with the gears 
1,2,3,4,5 = 3.35;1.99;1.33;1.00;0.68; input shaft length 7.85 ***
B/W ID 1352-225 79-93 Mustang 5.0 T-5 was rated at 325 lb.ft? with the gears 
1,2,3,4,5 = 2.95;1.94;1.34;1.00;0.80; input shaft length 7.18
B/W ID 1352-227 79-93 Mustang 5.0 T-5 was rated at 325 lb.ft? with the gears 
1,2,3,4,5 = 2.95;1.94;1.34;1.00;0.63; input shaft length 7.18
B/W ID 1352-242 94-95 Mustang 5.0 T-5 was rated at 310 lb.ft? with the gears 
1,2,3,4,5 = 3.35;1.99;1.33;1.00;0.68; input shaft length 7.85 ***
B/W ID 1352-246 94-95 Mustang 5.0 T-5 was rated at 300 lb.ft? with the gears 
1,2,3,4,5 = 3.35;1.99;1.33;1.00;0.68; input shaft length 7.85 ***
B/W ID 1352-249 79-93 Mustang 5.0 T-5 was rated at 330 lb.ft? with the gears 
1,2,3,4,5 = 2.95;1.94;1.34;1.00;0.63; input shaft length 7.18
B/W ID 1352-251 79-93 Mustang 5.0 T-5 was rated at 330 lb.ft? with the gears 
1,2,3,4,5 = 2.95;1.94;1.34;1.00;0.63; input shaft length 7.18
B/W ID 1352-253 94-95 Mustang 5.0 T-5 was rated at 310 lb.ft? with the gears 
1,2,3,4,5 = 3.35;1.99;1.33;1.00;0.68; input shaft length 7.85 ***

Some 2.3 engine below(I'm not typing all this......)

B/W ID 1352-114 85-86 T-Bird 2.3 T-5 was rated at 235 lb.ft? with the gears 
1,2,3,4,5 = 4.03;2.37;1.49;1.00;0.81; input shaft length 7.41 ***
B/W ID 1352-154 87 Mustang 2.3 T-5 was rated at 240 lb.ft? with the gears 
1,2,3,4,5 = 3.97;2.34;1.46;1.00;0.85; input shaft length 7.41 ***
B/W ID 1352-194 89-90 Mustang 2.3 T-5 was rated at 240 lb.ft? with the gears 
1,2,3,4,5 = 3.97;2.34;1.46;1.00;0.79; input shaft length 7.41 ***

Anyway that's the general ideal---------Thanks Craig for the Ford site 
info -

Good luck, Joe W...............All this makes my head hurt :-)

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Date: Fri,  4 Mar 2005 16:38:49 -0500
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Subject: Re: Not all T5s are created Equal, The right ones 
Are...............

Joe,
83-84 Mustang V-8 T-5= NON world Class.
82-87 Camaro V-8= NON world Class.
85 began World Class T-5 in Mustang V-8
88 began World Class T-5 in Camaro V-8
The clusters and 1-2&3rd gears from Camaro Non world class should be the 
same as the AMC in interchange, The only way to find out for sure is to get 
my hands on one! I know Camaro uses the wrong input, but the rebuild kits 
are the same for most all Non World Class trans, I've checked the parts 
books.
With A 84-85 Mustang V-8 Trans I can even use the input shaft if needed, 
different pilot bearing I think.
My American Runs a 91 Wrangler EFI system on  a 95 4.0L engine. i'm not 
concerend about the non world class status. I believe that if you do a quick 
web search you will see that indeed the torque rating of World Class 
transmissions remained at 265 till 1990.

Mark Price
mprice@xxxxxxxxxx
Morgantown, WV
69 AMC rambler, 4.0L, EFI, 5 speed
65 Ambassador Conv, 327 AUTO, Basketcase
01 S-10 CREWCRAP 4X4