Re: ADMIN: List changes coming

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I think Frank just stated his plan for this as per below.  Here is a guy
that has the best interests of the hobby at heart and has long worked at it
and gone out of his way try to maintain peace on this list.  At least that
is my opinion after nearly 9 years on this list.  He has withstood many
insults and has not (at least publicly) responded in anything less than a
thoughtful manner to those than berate him.  He must have the patience of
Job.

The first thing he says is that he will have help to share the load and
assist with light moderation.  Sure sounds good to me...  Colin didn't have
much help and neither did Jim Stone before him.

Frank said:

    "I've posted what I believe would be good changes (in the long run)
before. Those changes will         include:

    1. A set of posted rules
    2. A group of moderators, not a single person, and guidelines for the
moderators. Moderators         will be made public.

    Moderation will be as light as possible. The overall character of the
list should stay the same.         There will just be several people who can
keep things from getting out of hand! Since there will         be
consequences for not heeding warnings, there should be few (if any)
temporary bannings             necessary.

        I can see no other way around recent problems.

    Frank Swygert"
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jock J Jocewicz" <namdra@xxxxxxxx>
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: ADMIN: List changes coming


> Colin,
>   I am not going to argue for Randy to stay on the list but I think he
> should be given one more chance and in that chance let him know to keep
> his posts civil and about AMC's, not some of the other stuff he has
> posted.
>
>   And as far as letting Frank Swygert taking over the list, I am
> definitely against this. Why? First because he is the publisher of AIM
> (American Independent Magazine) and as such can in no way, shape or form
> be truly independent in running this list, which should be most
> important. He also has stated he would like to become the president of
> two AMC (AMO & AMCRC) clubs or at least, an officer in them, and again,
> like I said he could not remain independent in running the list. It would
> be just too easy for him to run people off the list that might seem to
> him to be detrimental to his magazine, AMO or AMCRC.
>
>   As the long time president and editor of an international AMC car club,
> I myself should not be the one in charge of an AMC orientated list or
> should I be one of those chosen to be on the board of list supervisors go
> can kick people off the list. And neither should Frank Swygert. I truly
> believe that who ever runs the list and is on the board should be truly
> independent and unbiased.
>
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:54:56 -0500 Colin J Brodsky <cbrodsky@xxxxxxxxxx>
> writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > All -
> >
> > Expect to see some changes in list management shortly.  Clearly, I
> > have not
> > been able to stay on top of the behavior problems on the list... I
> > have
> > generally intervened only in instances where complaints were
> > escalating to
> > me at an abnormal frequency.  I did so this week, in banning Randy
> > (again).
> > The useful information does not outweigh the fact that he is
> > constantly
> > involved in every list dispute I can remember, and usually in a
> > very
> > unpleasant manner.
> >
> > We will be setting up a board of list supervisors that will be able
> > to do a
> > better job day-to-day managing subscription access, moderation as
> > needed,
> > and so forth - they will become the new list owners.  I have asked
> > Frank
> > Swygert to help kick this off.  He will also take over financial
> > ownership
> > of the list in the interim.  Although we funded the list for some
> > time with
> > donations, the list has since been paid for me personally.  Amazing
> > that
> > some individuals feel it is an entitlement when they don't even pay
> > for it!
> > I know that some are unhappy with the listservice; while we are
> > unlikely to
> > find cheaper ad-free options, I will trust the new managers to move
> > as
> > needed to an advertising-supported free service if that is deemed
> > necessary.
> >
> > My wife and I are traveling to southern Patagonia Tuesday night, so
> > no
> > point sending hate mail - I won't be around to read it :-)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Colin Brodsky
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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