Re: [AMC-list] 304 manual transmission circa 71 or 72

["Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

He told me the bell housing depth of both the Jeep T5 bell and the Javelin 
T14 bell are the same depth. If in fact the T14 hasn't been altered, it's a 
very good possibility that you're correct, the pilot bushings are most 
likely different sizes for each trans.

I think we need to look at the T14 and see if they didn't machine off the 
pilot part of the input shaft, machine a button receiver? and substitute 
some type of machined bushing/button to fit inside the crank keying area for 
automatics. I have to drive over to his place and get him to drag the T14 
out of his parts pile.
We haven't given up on understanding this one yet !

Armand


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Ames" <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] 304 manual transmission circa 71 or 72


> AFAIK all manual trannys used a pilot hole and bushing. Perhaps the T-14 
> and T-5
> have different sizes/lengths.
>
>
> Ken
>
>
> Quoting Armand Eshleman <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> > updated information
> >
> > The 72 Javelin is reddish orange, has a transplanted 304 with a 3 speed
> > manual.
> > The 304 from the orange 72 has been removed wants to put that engine into
> > his Jeep with a T5.
> > The crank flange doesn't have a pilot hole for the bushing and input 
> > shaft
> > on the T5.
> > Does this mean that a T14 doesn't require a pilot hole and bushing?
> >
> > trying to understand how unusual this crank might be if at all.
> >
> > The white 1970 Javelin has a 304, came with the car, that crank has the
> > pilot hole. Easy swap for a T5.
> >
> > Hope this clears it up.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Armand
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Ken Ames" <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 1:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AMC-list] 304 manual transmission circa 71 or 72
> >
> >
> > > One line says the 304 doesn't have a pilot hole, another line says it
> > > does.
> > > ?? You have 2 304s?
> > >
> > > The 3-speed is probably a T-14. References are at home.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting Armand Eshleman <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Friend of mine has had a 71 or 72 Javelin since his high school days 
> > >> in
> > >> the
> > >> early 90's.
> > >> Currently he wante dto swap the 304 out of htis car into his Jeep CJ 
> > >> with
> >
> > >> a
> > >> 258 and a T5.
> > >> The 304 had a 3 speed manual behind it when in the Javelin. Might that
> > >> have
> > >> been a T150?
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, the 304 doesn't have the pitol hole bored in the back of the
> > >> crank
> > >> that would receive the
> > >> pilot shank from the input shaft on the T5.
> > >>
> > >> What gives?
> > >>
> > >> I'm confused, I thoght all cranks came bored with the piolot hole for 
> > >> a
> > >> pilot bushing and could take
> > >> a manual transmission.
> > >>
> > >> The 304 in the white Javelin has hole in th eback of the crank.
> > >>
> > >> Help me understand what's going on here.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> Armand
> > >>
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