Re: [AMC-list] Was: Anyone have ...now M-3x tranny cooling

[Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I am 100% posticely sure there are no plugged fitting holes in the trans I have or sold.
I looked, hard, I even rubbed them and made a wish!!!  :)

I toasted a couple of 3 of those 3 series borqs in my youth. I seriously wanted to have an liquid cooled one!
When I started this project my intention was to turbo charge a 199 based engine and I had no stickshift stuff around!
It was 1993 and the net was, well unknown to me. Living in the rustbelt I had little hope of locating the "proper stuff" to put a good stick shift setup in it, etc...So I was trying to figure out how I could build that 199 and keep an auto tranny alive behind my turbo motor.  It was not till I got the bodywork whipped in the late 90's, remember I was a stay at home dad for 11years and money was tight. When I finally got to build the drivetrain, I figured out I was not a 18 year old drag/bracket racer and I wanted a more sane driveable car and the 4.0L and T5 dropped in my lap.

Anyway, I know you would like to figure this out. I would like to know to! 
I even remember being about 17 and my dad passing on a 3 series that had the liquid cool feature! It was out in my uncles shed and free, but dad did not want to fool with running lines and a cooler to use it !!!  At the time I did not know what it was!

No harm in guessing at all, We just want to avoid starting a myth or set of rumours we can't substantiate!
Now, everyone with a six cyl Rambler, go I.D. the trans!  :-)

Mark Price
Morgantown, WV 26508
1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac II
"I realize that death is inevitable.
I just don't want to be around when it happens!"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Swygert" <farna@xxxxxxx>
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:18:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Was: Anyone have ...now M-3x tranny cooling

If the trans has air slots around where it bolts to the bell that indicates that it could be air cooled. There may just be one slot near the front right side. From what you note below it appears that the trans could be ordered either way, at least from 1967 on. I checked my 66 and 67 TSMs. 

The 67 mentions that the HD/Fleet trans is the same with the exception of an added oil cooler. Some climates (or dealers) may have got the cooler on all or most of the cars sent there. The TSM states: "The converter-out tube with heavy duty equipment directs converter return fluid to the cooler fitting at the right front side of the transmission case." This is just below the slot I mention above and sticks straight out from the case, right above the pan lip near the front right pan bolt hole. There is a return line threaded boss on the same side near the back. It goes "down" instead of "out" -- just dumps back in the pan. If you get around to looking at your trannys see if they have those fittings, even plugged. They would be plugged for air cooling. The M-35 has the boss for the outlet but it's not drilled IIRC. You can see a pic of the fittings on the trans on the second page of the HD/Fleet section of the 67 TSM. It's not mentioned in the 68 or 69 TSMs. 

You're right about the guessing, but that's why I'm making these posts -- so those with a 65-69 car with 199 and M-35/36/37 can check and report. Or those with some other on-hand knowledge like yourself. 

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:14:06 +0000 (UTC)
From: Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx>

Frank
I parted out one 
69 199 auto = aircooled
68 199 auto = aircooled
68 232 auto = aircooled
69 232 auto = aricooled, my car with the S-42 tag.
I know one of the tranies I sent out west was a 37 and air cooled.
The remaining two trannies are sitting in my shed, soon to be scrapped as I have stored them for 10 years now.
I I can remember to do so I will look at the trans in the shed to see what they are tagged as before they go away.
all I have is the tranmissions, not converters or bellhousings.

Believe me, if any of those cars would have had a liquid cooled trans I would have kept it! or at least known what it was!
My TSM is either a 66 or 67 and it mentions the liquid cooled trans as being a "fleet option"...

Guessing what they did with the model numbers at this point is pretty fruitless, unless we can gather enough info from people to cover enough of the models in question to rule out swaps and such.

-- 
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