Re: [Amc-list] Engine Interchange, 58 Rambler American

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To all this I respond. 
B.S.
try and get the AW4 built local...
Go ahead and try, unless your one of the lucky few your going to be doing a tranny mail order.
Ever have a problem with a mail order assembly?
Yeah, sure that'll be fun....
Ring, ring, "uh, Hi, this built AW4 you sent me don't shift correctly".
What's that?
Oh, "Ok, I'll pull it out and send it back" ....

99% of the trannie shops out there won't even look into an AW4.

Yeah the trans is good, I agree on that. In stock form I's use one instantly. 300,000miles of life.

700 series are Torque sucking monsters? yeah sure and what automatic isn't?

Want to not suck torque? grab a shift lever and push the clutch pedal.

>From that price list you got sitting there it looks like yer going to drop about $3K on an AW4 trans...

If I'm dropping $3K on a trans I'm not putting a 4cyl in front of it anyway.

Properely built turbos boost by 2500 rpm?
Sounds good, but
Ever watch a tach in traffic?
The higher that first gear the longer it takes to hit 2500 rpm. PERIOD.

I would not use a 700 series trans in most anything, usualy, but when building a hypothetical early American.
I make an exception.

I like AW4's in Jeeps and cars for drivers, their solid long lasting trans, but they have some stupid out of the box features.
No means of selecting individual gears without electronics is just plain dumb.
PRND21 , seems dumb... is dumb.

nuff said

--
Mark Price
Morgantown, WV
1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II
" Chronic Pain Hurts"

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From: Brien Tourville <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Engine Interchange, 58  Rambler American
> To:  <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Yeah, factory Jeep parts, but with a blown 4 cyl I'd still move to the 700 based 
> trans.
> Not so much for anything other then the low first gear to get it rolling and up 
> on boost quick.
> The AW4 does not have the torque multiplication and low gear of the 700 series 
> trans.
> You'll not get the AW4 to shift as hard as a built 700 either. Nor will you get 
> the backing of the after market the 700 has.
>   Believe me I stay AMC when possible, but in this instance I'd move to the 
> 700R4 or 4L60E.
> 
> --
> Mark Price
> Morgantown, WV
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II
> " Chronic Pain Hurts"
> 
> 
> 
> ..
> 
> 
> 
> The clap trap over 700r trannies is "Chronic Horse Hockey",
> 
> 
> 
> Are they planning to run quicker than 9.99 in the quarter mile in this '58 
> Rambler ?
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> 
> Even the STUDEBAKER boys gripe about the 700 series as Torque Sucking 
> Lumps - better in parts
> availability than the stock item - yet still a disappointment's.
> 
> Correct Turbo Sizing will put your Boost where you want it - but on Pump 
> Gas you'll safely see
> it start around 2500RPM - by which time the Aisin 2wd 4speed first gear has
> the street car up to speed - *depending upon final drive ratio.
> 
> Turbo 4cylinder engines show their power in upper RPM ranges - take a 
> look at
> any of the Nippon Factory Turbo 4s or the Mercedes or VW...sporting 
> Electronics.
> 
> You're not going to get low end Torque enhancement using
> a 4 with Boost - make it with cam then add some Boost in the RPM -
> with a Methanol Injection System.
> 
> You don't have 6 - 8 - 10 cylinders making Torque while waiting for Boost -
> it's Tricky getting a Turbo 4 drivable.
> 
> As for lack of Performance Support - IPT has a Forum run by John.  I 
> suggest you bat the
> breeze with him after viewing the TOYOTA section the Site. 
> 
> The Aisin platform is run behind the Toyota Supra Turbo & Twin Turbo 
> cars running these
> STOCK up to 450HP - after which they ship them to IPT for *Tweaks* - 
> allowing 600HP runs.
> 
> The BUICK Grand National boys dump the 700 series in favor of the 
> lighter faster version -
> the 200-4R - here's a 'Quick Quote from 'TURBO BUICK . COM' referencing 
> swapping a 700r in
> place of a 200-4r:
> 
> bbbad6 <http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/members/bbbad6.html> bbbad6 is 
> offline
> 6 Speed TR?
> 	  	
> Join Date: Apr 2004
> Location: Central Massachusetts
> Trader Rating: (*0 <http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/itrader.php?u=13011>*)
> Posts: 48
> 
> the 700 trans fits perfectly, the problem becomes holding it to the 
> motor. The bolt-pattern is different. If its not, then its either a 
> one-off 700 or its not one at all. I would recommend against it anyways, 
> the 700's lower first gear might be amusing at first, but the large skip 
> into 2nd makes it slower than a 200-4r also consider that the 700r4 has 
> a .7 OD whereas the 200-4r has .67 not a huge amount but gas is 
> expensive enough... The work and fab required probably don't make up for 
> the margin able strength upgrade. just my .$02
> PS: the 4l60e is an electronicaslly controlled 700r4, the 4l80e is much 
> stronger and is basically a th400 with an overdrive, and electronically 
> controlled. both having Chevy bolt pasterns.
> __________________
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bottom Line:
> 
> 
> Use the 700r for Marine Aquatic Housing.
> 
> Find a 2wd AW JEEP trans & run it until it drops.
> 
> Then send it to John @ IPT & run it until hell freezes over.
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
>     =Bt=
> milnersXcoupe
> "The Heretic"
> 
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