Send AMC-List mailing list submissions to amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.wps.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to amc-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx You can reach the person managing the list at amc-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxx When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AMC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: MAACO or equivelent paint jobs. (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx) 2. Last chance..... (William Renshaw) 3. Re: Corrections to-Re: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classic (Widiker, John D) 4. Re: Corrections to-Re: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classic (msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx) 5. Re: Corrections to-Re: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classic (Widiker, John D) 6. Re: Corrections to-Re: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classic (msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx) 7. Re: Corrections to: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classic (Sandwich Maker) 8. AMC INK` (Jock J Jocewicz) 9. Re: Corrections to: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classic MOPAR A/B donor (John Elle) 10. Re: Corrections to: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classic (Widiker, John D) 11. Re: Corrections to: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classicMOPAR A/B donor (Widiker, John D) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 5:56:41 -0700 From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [AMC-List] MAACO or equivelent paint jobs. To: amc-list@xxxxxxx Cc: John Elle <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <15890945.1147697801256.JavaMail.root@web18> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Sounds like they did a miserable mask job and no ventilation in the spray booth to allow that much overspray to settle on everything. If the Mustang I saw had been stripped down I expect it would have suffered the same fate! Mark Price markprice242ATadelphia.net Morgantown, WV ---- John Elle <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > In my life I have done a number of cars and painting them has ranged > from spray bombs to chain paint stores (MAACO and equivalent) a decent > body shop and DIY. Each selection was made based on my budget, need and > objective as to the use of the car. First of all if you want a decent > paint job, figure out how to do it yourself or expect the equivalent of > the $30,000 Legendary paint job. You can get a passably decent paint > job using spray bombs. If all you want is an ok driver that looks good > when you drive it to church Rust O Leum will work quite well and I have > seen a really sharp Gremlin that was done with duplicolor spray cans, > but that does come under the do it yourself category. > As far as MAACO goes my experience sort of parallels Tom and maybe > others. In my case there was a MAACO shop that was getting a lot of good > press in the local cruising news. I visited it. I saw a Jag sedan, a > Corvette, a couple of other collectables and a Chevelle that was having > quarter panel work done on it. So as I was building driver that I could > show and the top of the line MAACO made sense I dropped of my Spirit, > stripped of all chrome, lights, bumpers, builder wheels and tires new > upholstery, new rugs, detailed engine compartment and some body > detailing. When I went to pick it up I was sorry I ever had it there. > Can we say OVERSPRAY? > EVERYWHERE!!!! > Under the hood, on the engine, under the chassis, on the black bumper > shocks still bolted to the car, on the new rugs through the holes in the > rear fascia where the tail lights were no longer. They did not bother to > plug the holes, they did carefully mask part of the body that I had > replaced with a black piece cause the white one was broken but they did > not bother to put paper over the holes going into the hatch through the > tail lights or the shock mounts for the bumpers carefully painted black. > > I do not know how they got as much white paint ALL over the engine > compartment and engine as they did. But they did not bother removing the > body parts that were in the hatch that had to be painted too despite > instructions that left on what to paint and not to paint. Not only that > but the windshield wiper shafts and mountings were painted. The list > goes on. It took me over a year to clean up and repaint due to over > spray. Not to mention that when they finally did the body parts that > they left in the hatch they did a lousy job of matching the selected > paint color. > When the aggravation was finally said and done and the year plus time > was spent cleaning up the over spray the end result was not all that bad > and as long as the car was garaged and waxed regularly it looked good. > It was and still is driven daily and has placed well in local, regional > and national shows. However the last year it has had to sit out side and > after one years time the paint is oxidizing badly. Yes, you can get a > maybe o.k. paint job for about $2000.00 from MAACO or equivalent, or > maybe you might be very upset about what you got for $2000.00. I was! I > can do a better job than what I got from MAACO using single stage > Acrylic Enamel for about 25% of what it cost me to have MAACO frustrate > me so that is what I will do from now on. 'Sides that paint is orders of > magnitude better than the top of the line paint from MAACO. The cheap > paint from MAACO will oxides out in about 3 months around here. Not even > worth the effort to use it. > For what it is worth, that is my experience. > John > _______________________________________________ > AMC-List mailing list > AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx > http://www.wps.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > or go to http://www.amc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 06:20:28 -0700 From: "William Renshaw" <lionwren@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] Last chance..... To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <BAY105-F108E66644FB2FCBE72A201C5A30@xxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Last chance on any one needing parts for a 1974 Matador Coupe. I have to pull the parts that I have room for and the parts that I originally purchased the car for and its going to the big crusher in the sky! Girlfriends land lord is complaining about it so it has to go. Anyone needing anything for a Matador coupe let me know. I can get ya some pictures if you need. Send me a list of what you may want and I WILL RESPOND! Please take this seriously as it will only be around for a couple more weeks. There is no front end parts on this car, but there is still some nice O.E.M. interior parts. Door panels, back 1/4 panels, outside chrome trim, door glass, trunk lid, complete 232 inline with 3 speed tranny, rear end. Has some really nice O.E.M. scuff plates, steering colum. Need to get rid of the car, hate to see the rest go to waste. Bill Renshaw Lewiston Idaho lionwren@xxxxxxxxxxx AKA Brother B. AMC'S RULE.....the rest just drool like the dogs they are. 1973 Gremlin X "clone" (project) 1970 Original Hornet "plain jane" 1974 Matador Coupe "Parts car" ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:56:35 -0400 From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Corrections to-Re: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classic To: <amc-list@xxxxxxx> Message-ID: <166687AF0F5A7E48A457F68AE39A6F13061DF24B@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ford 9" housing ends are an easy swap to a 8.75" mopar, then you can use the late 90's explorer set up. I couldn't be happier with mine and they are cheaper then the mopar kits (at least last time I looked). They use an integral parking brake (drum) inside the rotor hat. If you want pics I could snap some. ~J -----Original Message----- From: amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx [mailto:amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Elle Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 2:04 AM To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [AMC-List] Corrections to-Re: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classic The Bendix 4 piston Calipers were used from 1966 to 1970 (not 1971) as an optional brake on AMC cars. You might find it feasible to use a Chrysler 8 3/4 (not 1/4) from something like a Duster and put a MOPAR disc brake conversion on it Sorry about that, I shoulda done a better job of proof reading John _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.wps.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list or go to http://www.amc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:10:35 +0000 From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Corrections to-Re: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classic To: amc-list@xxxxxxx Message-ID: <051520061510.18368.446899EB0005985D000047C02200735834019D0A0790019D9F9C03@xxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain You mean the Ford 8.8 rear? Not the same axle as the 9". Becoming very popular with owners of Jeeps that carry the 5x4.5 bolt pattern because of the discs, the parking brake provision you mentioned, as well as being frequently found with factory 4.10's with a LSD. I just picked one up for my XJ. -Spro -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx> > ford 9" housing ends are an easy swap to a 8.75" mopar, then you can > use the late 90's explorer set up. I couldn't be happier with mine and > they are cheaper then the mopar kits (at least last time I looked). They > use an integral parking brake (drum) inside the rotor hat. If you want > pics I could snap some. > > ~J > > -----Original Message----- > From: amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx [mailto:amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of John Elle > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 2:04 AM > To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [AMC-List] Corrections to-Re: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classic > > The Bendix 4 piston Calipers were used from 1966 to 1970 (not 1971) as > an optional brake on AMC cars. > > You might find it feasible to use a Chrysler 8 3/4 (not 1/4) from > something like a Duster and put a MOPAR disc brake conversion on it > > Sorry about that, I shoulda done a better job of proof reading John > _______________________________________________ > AMC-List mailing list > AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx > http://www.wps.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > or go to http://www.amc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > AMC-List mailing list > AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx > http://www.wps.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > or go to http://www.amc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:15:26 -0400 From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Corrections to-Re: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classic To: <amc-list@xxxxxxx> Message-ID: <166687AF0F5A7E48A457F68AE39A6F13061DF252@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mopar 8.75" axle, Ford 9" housing ends, explorer 8.8" brakes. -----Original Message----- From: amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx [mailto:amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx] On Behalf Of msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:11 AM To: amc-list@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Corrections to-Re: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classic You mean the Ford 8.8 rear? Not the same axle as the 9". Becoming very popular with owners of Jeeps that carry the 5x4.5 bolt pattern because of the discs, the parking brake provision you mentioned, as well as being frequently found with factory 4.10's with a LSD. I just picked one up for my XJ. -Spro -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx> > ford 9" housing ends are an easy swap to a 8.75" mopar, then you can > use the late 90's explorer set up. I couldn't be happier with mine and > they are cheaper then the mopar kits (at least last time I looked). > They use an integral parking brake (drum) inside the rotor hat. If you > want pics I could snap some. > > ~J > > -----Original Message----- > From: amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx [mailto:amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of John Elle > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 2:04 AM > To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [AMC-List] Corrections to-Re: AMX disk brake kit for 62 > classic > > The Bendix 4 piston Calipers were used from 1966 to 1970 (not 1971) as > an optional brake on AMC cars. > > You might find it feasible to use a Chrysler 8 3/4 (not 1/4) from > something like a Duster and put a MOPAR disc brake conversion on it > > Sorry about that, I shoulda done a better job of proof reading John > _______________________________________________ > AMC-List mailing list > AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx > http://www.wps.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > or go to http://www.amc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > AMC-List mailing list > AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx > http://www.wps.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > or go to http://www.amc-list.com _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.wps.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list or go to http://www.amc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:20:30 +0000 From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Corrections to-Re: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classic To: amc-list@xxxxxxx Message-ID: <051520061520.4560.44689C3E00095A4A000011D02206424413019D0A0790019D9F9C03@xxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain Ah, I gotcha. Its all bolt on and this way you don't have to disturb your diff or mess with the housing configuration? (spring perches, arms, etc) Its also minimizes the Ford content of your vehicle. Lol... -Spro -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx> > Mopar 8.75" axle, Ford 9" housing ends, explorer 8.8" brakes. > > -----Original Message----- > From: amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx [mailto:amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:11 AM > To: amc-list@xxxxxxx > Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Corrections to-Re: AMX disk brake kit for 62 > classic > > You mean the Ford 8.8 rear? Not the same axle as the 9". Becoming very > popular with owners of Jeeps that carry the 5x4.5 bolt pattern because > of the discs, the parking brake provision you mentioned, as well as > being frequently found with factory 4.10's with a LSD. I just picked > one up for my XJ. > > -Spro > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Widiker, John D" > > > ford 9" housing ends are an easy swap to a 8.75" mopar, then you can > > use the late 90's explorer set up. I couldn't be happier with mine and > > > they are cheaper then the mopar kits (at least last time I looked). > > They use an integral parking brake (drum) inside the rotor hat. If you > > > want pics I could snap some. > > > > ~J > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx [mailto:amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx] On > > Behalf Of John Elle > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 2:04 AM > > To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [AMC-List] Corrections to-Re: AMX disk brake kit for 62 > > classic > > > > The Bendix 4 piston Calipers were used from 1966 to 1970 (not 1971) as > > > an optional brake on AMC cars. > > > > You might find it feasible to use a Chrysler 8 3/4 (not 1/4) from > > something like a Duster and put a MOPAR disc brake conversion on it > > > > Sorry about that, I shoulda done a better job of proof reading John > > _______________________________________________ > > AMC-List mailing list > > AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > http://www.wps.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > > > or go to http://www.amc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AMC-List mailing list > > AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > http://www.wps.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > > > or go to http://www.amc-list.com > _______________________________________________ > AMC-List mailing list > AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx > http://www.wps.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > or go to http://www.amc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > AMC-List mailing list > AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx > http://www.wps.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > or go to http://www.amc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:22:58 -0400 (EDT) From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker) Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Corrections to: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classic To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <200605151522.k4FFMwj02606@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> " From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx> " " [] " " You might find it feasible to use a Chrysler 8 3/4 (not 1/4) from " something like a Duster and put a MOPAR disc brake conversion on it imho the duster [dart] rear would be too narrow for an amx - almost the same as the american - and the years they used the 8.75" still had the 5x4" bolt circle, so you'd have to handle that too. iirc a late '60s midsize like a satellite would have a better width, and already 5x4.5" though lh thd one side. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:42:18 -0500 From: Jock J Jocewicz <namdra@xxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] AMC INK` To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <20060515.124617.-16529469.0.NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The July 2006 issue of Hemmings Classic Car has an 8-page article on the 51 rambler convertible; a 4-page article on the 37 Nash LaFayette 400 and a 5-page story on the Nash-Healeys. Note to Doc: In the same issue, in an article on misused words they had the following to say: 11-Grille: If ever there was a word that most folks misspell, it is the word grille. When the word is used without the letter "e" at the end, it relates to cooking, as in barbecue grill or Joe's Bar and Grill. But the ornamental trim piece on the front of your car, as well as those that cover dashboard-mounted radio speakers, or any other ornamental metal grating, is called a grille, with an "e." Jock Jocewicz - President/Editor NAMDRA NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx 8537 Antioch Rd., Salem, WI 53168 (262) 843-4326 JOIN NAMDRA, the best AMC club around!!! '06 AMC NATIONALS - SEP. 14-16, 2006 - CORDOVA DRAGWAY PARK, CORDOVA, IL AMO#19, NAMDRA#46, AMCRC#974, NHRA#41915, IHRA#6766 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:59:11 -0700 From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Corrections to: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classic MOPAR A/B donor To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <000001c67849$4955e6f0$d6dc0d82@john1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Andrew and all SNIP mho the duster [dart] rear would be too narrow for an amx ? almost the same as the american - and the years they used the 8.75" still had the 5x4" bolt circle, so you'd have to handle that too. iirc a late '60s midsize like a satellite would have a better width, and already 5x4.5" though lh thd one side. SNIP Actually I do not know what width a 62 Classic rear end is or whether it is coils or leaf springs back there but if it is of the narrower type and A body rear end will work while a B body works well in a Javelin, AMX configuration. Also I believe the later A bodies used 5x4.5 bolt pattern. In both case it is an option that is available and the MOPAR 8 ? has a good reliability reputation. In addition I believe the after market also addresses the bolt pattern problem. A little more reseach would come up with names and addresses. But also as others have pointed out the newer Ford 9 inch assemblies with the wider option of factory rear disc brakes might even be a better option. Point is, 4 wheel disc brakes are a do-able deal on something as improbable as a 62 classic using almost all junk yard parts if you are so inclined and it could be a really interesting finished product when it is all said and done. Some of those designer wheel and tire combinations along with the multiple puck color coded disc brake conversions have more money tied up in them then I have tied up in 5 cars. But then again, I?d rather have my cars although I would have preferred to have my Town & Country not eat the transmission! John ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:01:00 -0400 From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Corrections to: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classic To: <amc-list@xxxxxxx> Message-ID: <166687AF0F5A7E48A457F68AE39A6F13061DF256@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mine came out of some kind of wagon, but I narrowed it a bit to make it fit, in fact I didn't even go factory width it's actually 1/2 inch shorter on both sides then a standard amx model 20 amx rear. -----Original Message----- From: amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx [mailto:amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sandwich Maker Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:23 AM To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Corrections to: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classic " From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx> " " [] " " You might find it feasible to use a Chrysler 8 3/4 (not 1/4) from " something like a Duster and put a MOPAR disc brake conversion on it imho the duster [dart] rear would be too narrow for an amx - almost the same as the american - and the years they used the 8.75" still had the 5x4" bolt circle, so you'd have to handle that too. iirc a late '60s midsize like a satellite would have a better width, and already 5x4.5" though lh thd one side. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.wps.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list or go to http://www.amc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:03:48 -0400 From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Corrections to: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classicMOPAR A/B donor To: <amc-list@xxxxxxx> Message-ID: <166687AF0F5A7E48A457F68AE39A6F13061DF257@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I do blow up 8.75 sure grip assemblies all the time, swap to a Detroit locker has hopefully ended the attrition. ~J -----Original Message----- From: amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx [mailto:amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Elle Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 1:59 PM To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Corrections to: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classicMOPAR A/B donor Andrew and all SNIP mho the duster [dart] rear would be too narrow for an amx - almost the same as the american - and the years they used the 8.75" still had the 5x4" bolt circle, so you'd have to handle that too. iirc a late '60s midsize like a satellite would have a better width, and already 5x4.5" though lh thd one side. SNIP Actually I do not know what width a 62 Classic rear end is or whether it is coils or leaf springs back there but if it is of the narrower type and A body rear end will work while a B body works well in a Javelin, AMX configuration. Also I believe the later A bodies used 5x4.5 bolt pattern. In both case it is an option that is available and the MOPAR 8 ? has a good reliability reputation. In addition I believe the after market also addresses the bolt pattern problem. A little more reseach would come up with names and addresses. But also as others have pointed out the newer Ford 9 inch assemblies with the wider option of factory rear disc brakes might even be a better option. Point is, 4 wheel disc brakes are a do-able deal on something as improbable as a 62 classic using almost all junk yard parts if you are so inclined and it could be a really interesting finished product when it is all said and done. Some of those designer wheel and tire combinations along with the multiple puck color coded disc brake conversions have more money tied up in them then I have tied up in 5 cars. But then again, I'd rather have my cars although I would have preferred to have my Town & Country not eat the transmission! John _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.wps.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list or go to http://www.amc-list.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.wps.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list End of AMC-List Digest, Vol 4, Issue 31 ***************************************