AMC-List Digest, Vol 3, Issue 49
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Today's Topics:
1. 73 AMX rear window louvers (Mark Holmes)
2. AOL might be back up... (farna@xxxxxxx)
3. Re: Wiring diagrams (farna@xxxxxxx)
4. Re: Need Clarification Of An Old Myth (raysinvegas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
5. E85 and Old Cars (John)
6. Re: Wiring diagrams (Matt Haas)
7. Re: 1969 AMC V8 spark plugs (John Elle)
8. Re: Old Myths (Mr. AMC)
9. Re: 1969 AMC V8 spark plugs (Jim Blair)
10. Re: Wiper switch needed (Jim Blair)
11. Good Old List Guys (RetroRalph)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:13:19 -0500
From: "Mark Holmes" <mholmes1@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 73 AMX rear window louvers
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Is there a match from J.C. Whitney to fit 73 AMX rear window louvers?
Thanks
Marko
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:23:46 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] AOL might be back up...
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC-List)
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A couple AOL members have resubbed to the list and NOT been bounced over the last 24 hours. I have a theory... AOL may have blocked the list server temporarily so that all AOL members would bounce and be unsubscribed. We were getting a couple bounces that were blocked in such a way that the list server could not extract an address to unsubscribe, so continued trying to send to the addressee -- whoever that was. The block forced bouncing and unsubbing of all AOL addresses, period.
The list server does not appear to be blocked any longer, so AOL members should be able to resubscribe if they wish. That's the only way to find out if the block was lifted. I may be wrong and it's just coincidence the two have managed to not be knocked off, though I can't explain why unless the block that forcibly bounced over 200 users has been lifted.
I'd like to thank all AOL users who sent a complaint about the list be blocked -- that may be why it was lifted. The blocking (to force unsubscribing) and lifting may have been their plan all along, but I'm thinking complaints more likely drove both actions.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:00:16 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiring diagrams
To: "Gary L. Kirk" <glkirkbuilders@xxxxxxx>, mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
(AMC-List)
Message-ID:
<042520060200.11844.444D82B0000914FC00002E4421587667200E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
I don't mind the question directly, you're just lucky I can answer! In a couple weeks I'll have access to the list but not my books -- will be in Afghanistan for four months. I won't have my reference books there! Hope you don't mind that I sent the answer to the list also.
Note that all early 60s (prior to 67) AMCs should be wired as the 65 (I checked 64 American). The 75 wiring will be the same for those cars with the seatbelt interlock system -- roughly 74-77. There are a couple changes without the interlock, but it's close.
1965 Wiring:
Blue - to flasher
Yellow - left front signal
Brown - right front signal
Green - brake light switch
White - right rear signal
Orange - left rear signal
1975 Wiring:
The connector has each position marked with a letter. I'm giving the letters as well as color. Positions A,B, & C are not used (no wires?), and are on the left.
D - orange - trans selector light (for auto trans)
E - black w/tracer - left front door switch
F - yellow w/tracer - key/belt buzzer, continues to seat belt interlock module
G - gray - horn relay
H - dark green w/tracer - to dash; and dark green - left front signal
(there is no I to avoid confusion with the number one)
J - brown - to dash; and brown w/tracer - right front signal
K - light blue - to hazard flasher (other side of flasher should be to power, on the Hornet it goes from power to the flasher then to the brake light switch -- it's between the brake light switch and power to the switch.
L - dark blue - directional flasher
M - orange w/tracer - left rear signal
N - white - right rear signal
(there is no O to avoid confusion with the number zero)
P - light green - to brake light switch
--
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Independent
Magazine" (AIM)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
(free download available!)
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Gary L. Kirk" <glkirkbuilders@xxxxxxx>
> Hi Frank,
> I hope you don't mind me asking you specifically more about my wiring problems.
> From that link that I was given, I can not read very well the diagram that is
> important to me. So may I tell you what has happened till now.
> The 65 has a bunch of bullet plugs out of the column. I identified all the 4
> blinker leads to the bulbs/units. 4 different wires. there's also what seems to
> be a wire coming from the blinker flasher and another that goes to the brake
> light switch at the master cylinder.
> I have a 1975 book and it shows /names every lead coming out of the 74 Hornet
> column. After hooking up most of the wires (all the ones that are pertinent to
> my 65 Convertible), what I get is- the right front blinks continually and the
> right rear works also when the directional is to the right. Other than that,
> nothing else works. Any thoughts.
> Gary Kirk
> PS. The 1975 book does not have a full wiring diagram like my 65 book does
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:59:55 -0400
From: raysinvegas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Need Clarification Of An Old Myth
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Doc, it's not just a myth, it's true! I have one on my 68 Javelin SST. After looking for the correct trim and only finding junk for $100 or NOS for $400 I gave up. One of the guys in our club, Southern Nevada AMC, gave me the trim as a gift. It is about 1/4" short on either end, and doesn't have the exact profile of the original piece, however, the only way you would not know it is not "correct" is if you got about 6 inches away and knew what to look for. I'm very happy with the way it looks on my car. From your posts it's obvious you have a keen eye for details, so it may not pass your muster. I'm good with it though!
Andy Ray
Las Vegas NV
64 440H(3)
68 Javelin SST 343
On April 24, 2006 Mr. AMC wrote:
> I was sitting here this afternoon polishing out the slightly scratched
> but un-dinged piece of stainless trim for my 74 Hornet Hatchback that
> runs horizontal between the tail light's under the hatch. I remember
> many times over the years that it was stated on a number of AMC lists
> that you could bend it a little in the middle and use it on the hood of
> a Javelin but it would be just a touch short and not of the right
> configuration. Anyone ever do this? Without measuring the length and
> just looking at it it seems to me it would be waaaay to short length
> wise. anyone ever do this? Just curious.
> "Doc"
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:51:04 -0400
From: "John" <marq@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] E85 and Old Cars
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Has anyone converted a carburetor engine to run on E85? I have been reading posts on other sites that talk about rejetting and using additives to prevent lubrication issues. How hard would it be to get it to work in my 70 Ambo?
John
E85 Land (Indiana)
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:20:17 -0400
From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiring diagrams
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
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Flashers were not a 1966 requirement. My former 66 Rebel was made in March
of 1966 and did not have them.
Matt
At 11:15 AM 4/24/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>Oh, OK, that makes sense.--
>Mark Price
>markprice242ATadelphia.net
>Morgantown, WV
>
>
>---- farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > The 65 doesn't have a flasher switch in the column -- no emergency
> flashers at all (that was a 66 requirement). So no flasher wiring like
> your 69. 66 models got an under dash switch with built in flasher that
> plugged in between the column and signal lights (plugged into pigtails on
> the switch, another set of pigtails plugged into the column connector).
> So when you add a 67 or later column with built in flasher switch, you
> run power to flasher then to the single wire on the column. The column
> switch diverts power to the signal lights.
> >
> >
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1967 Rambler American wagon
1968 Rambler American sedan
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:55:40 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 1969 AMC V8 spark plugs
To: AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <000001c6681c$1f40a0e0$b2dc0d82@john1>
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Jeff
SNIP
Date: Monday, April 24, 2006 07:26 PM
From: Jeff
<mailto:jbennett1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=%5bAMC-List%5d%201969%20AMC%20
V8%20spark%20plugs> & Caroline Bennett <jbennett1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
What number champion plug do you use in this motor, the tech manual says
RN12yc-the champion website calls for the RN14yc,
SNIP
Champion made an error when they re-configured their spark plug stocking
when calling out AMC spark plugs. They have been informed but could
probably stand it again as they have made no effort to change the stock
listing.
RN12YC plugs are the correct plugs for almost all AMC engine
application.
The Champion stock number is 404 RN12YC
SNIP
I put the 14's in my amx, now its not running as good.
SNIP
14's are hotter than recommended and can cause problems specifically
detonation, which may explain your lack of success .
For a variety of reasons I run Champion RN9YC plugs (Champion Stock
Number 415) in my AMC cars with excellent success. They are a colder
plug and apparently suit my driving conditions better. A modified engine
driven hard or even a stock engine driven hard can benefit from colder
plugs.
John
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:13:55 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Old Myths
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hey Andy 100$ for junk and 400$ for NOS is insane on both ends of the
spectrum. If it works for you Javelin guy's it's fine with me, I was
just curious. I am a 74 Hornet guy, and have 2 of them. Bought one new
in 74 and still drive it and the other one 2 1/2 years ago. I probably
would have to look really close to see if it is not the factory one.
Like I said I was just curious. Yes iI have an extra and am not parting
with it. :-)~~
"Doc"
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:15:44 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 1969 AMC V8 spark plugs
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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A: I have found that in real life things change. Fuels change, compression
ratios change, altitudes affect attitudes as well. Running colder plugs
seems to keep the ping beast away (without running an EGR valve either!)
Engines that are rebuilt often have higher than OEM compression ratio. Wear
and tear on timing gear and chain affect the VE (volumetric efficiency) and
modern oils can actually pump up compression a bit. Reading plugs has become
an almost lost art. (I admit to throwing colder plugs in when I hear the
slightest ping) Even a higher output coil (with a slightly wider plug gap)
can affect the point of engine ping. (hot/cold stat or partially clogged rad
too. Heck even Global warming can affect AMC engines! The O2 level has even
dropped significantly in the past couple decades)
From: "Jeff & Caroline" <jbennett1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 1969 AMC V8 spark plugs
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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What number champion plug do you use in this motor, the tech
manual says
rn12yc-the champion website calls for the rn14yc, I put the 14's
in my amx
now its not running as good, I pulled autolites out and didn't
take the
number off them- I think they were 65's, and their website calls
for 66's
wHAT GIVES?
Life seemed so ez
Jeff
Tampa Bay
1969 390 AMX
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:21:13 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiper switch needed
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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A: Tell them it is an '87 Ford F250 with 6.9L diesel and intermittent
wipers. Controller is the same also. There is a pin in the non-int wiper
switch to keep it from being plugged into the harness for the int box. If
you go non-intermittent, you can unplug the box (which just plugs into the
int switch at one end and the harness on the other) and plug the regular
switch in with no modifications.
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiper switch needed
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200604241702.k3OH2ZP15756@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
"
" I need to locate a wiper switch for my 82 Eagle SX/4 with
intermittent
" wipes. NAPA does not have a listing. Anybody have a source
or a good
" used one? Will a Jeep Grand Wagoneer or other Jeep
interchange?
isn't this a ford-sourced part? thought i read that
somewhere...
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:45:01 -0700
From: "RetroRalph" <retroralph@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Good Old List Guys
To: "AMC-List" <AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sure is nice to see the old list guys back checking in again...
Jim Blair, John Elle, Ralph Winslow, too, I think... and others that I'm likely forgetting to mention. Even caught a line or two from Tom Benvie, cleaning his attic. Kind off looks like old times again. And Eddie was absent for a while but he's back and going strong.
Ken Ames, Andrew Hay, Tom Jennings, Mark Price, Frank Swygert, Matt Haas, Joe Fulton and many others that don't come to my more porous mind right now have been typing their poor fingers to the bone for the list.
Maybe sometime our good old AOL problems will subside and a few more subscribers can rejoin us. Looks like things will be smoothing out here. Seems like the list was in a popularity slump for awhile. Maybe because of so many failures that never seemed to get corrected. Things feel better now with this mail list server, for me, anyway.
I wonder if there are any AMC's in Afghanistan for Frank while he's visiting there. He might have to settle for a Hummer... (somehow that sounds dirty, huh?)
I hate it when I wake up in the middle of the night.
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