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Today's Topics:
1. Re: E85 and Old Cars (Todd Tomason)
2. Re: E85 and Old Cars (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
3. Re: E85 and Old Cars (Sandwich Maker)
4. Re: BW M12 tran question (Sandwich Maker)
5. Re: E85 and Old Cars (farna@xxxxxxx)
6. Re: Wiring diagrams (farna@xxxxxxx)
7. Re: Good Old List Guys (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
8. Re: Wiper switch needed (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
9. Shut Up & Drive/100 AMCs For Sale/list 90/april 06 (Eddie Stakes)
10. Re: BW M12 tran question (Jock J Jocewicz)
11. Re: 1969 AMC V8 spark plugs (Larry R. Daum)
12. Re: Wiper switch needed (Tom Jennings)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:12:41 -0500
From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] E85 and Old Cars
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John,
I know it's possible. I remember guys doing it back in the late 70's with
straight ethanol. I have heard of issues with fuel line corrosion. I'm not
sure if it's from the alcohol, or the water in the alcohol.
Todd
On Monday 24 April 2006 21:51, John wrote:
> Has anyone converted a carburetor engine to run on E85? I have been
> reading posts on other sites that talk about rejetting and using additives
> to prevent lubrication issues. How hard would it be to get it to work in
> my 70 Ambo?
>
> John
> E85 Land (Indiana)
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 5:40:56 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] E85 and Old Cars
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
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The corrosion is not a result of the ethanol. Rather it is already in existance in the system and the ethanol is an excellent solvent, it cleans away the varnishes and exposes the corrosion, end result is a leak that would have developed at some time, but made it's appearance due to the introduction of ethanol. People then blamed the water in the ethanol. Not true at all, You will need to keep a bunch of fuel filters on hand and should replace all old system gaskets and hoses as the originals aren't the best for ethanol. Anything made since the introduction of 10% blend should be fine. all new gaskets and hoses are designed for the ethanol. Keep some fuel filters on hand and watch for leaks! The ethanol will clean things out and plug filters for a few miles.
You may have to richen up the mixture some with E85 to get an optimum mix, but it should run fine as-is, that's why they left the 15% gasoline in it. E100 requires rejetting carbs and idle mixtures. Lots of info available online, look around. I've done some reading as I plan on using E85 in the Convertible when/if I get to the drivetrain stage.
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> John,
>
> I know it's possible. I remember guys doing it back in the late 70's with
> straight ethanol. I have heard of issues with fuel line corrosion. I'm not
> sure if it's from the alcohol, or the water in the alcohol.
>
> Todd
>
> On Monday 24 April 2006 21:51, John wrote:
> > Has anyone converted a carburetor engine to run on E85? I have been
> > reading posts on other sites that talk about rejetting and using additives
> > to prevent lubrication issues. How hard would it be to get it to work in
> > my 70 Ambo?
> >
> > John
> > E85 Land (Indiana)
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:19:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] E85 and Old Cars
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200604251219.k3PCJ7u19237@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "John" <marq@xxxxxxx>
"
" Has anyone converted a carburetor engine to run on E85? I have been
" reading posts on other sites that talk about rejetting and using
" additives to prevent lubrication issues. How hard would it be to get
" it to work in my 70 Ambo?
you'd also have to make sure your entire fuel system was alcohol-safe.
it can attack plastics gasoline doesn't, and can encourage corrosion
in metals that gas doesn't attack.
and iirc you need much more carb heat to properly vaporize alcohol
too.
i don't know if the 15% gasoline in e85 in any way mitigates these
pure-alcohol behaviors.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:23:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] BW M12 tran question
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200604251223.k3PCNHu19280@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: farna@xxxxxxx
"
"
" The rebuild kits are only slightly different for the Ford FMX and BW
" trans. Gears, clutch plates, and bands are the same. It also has a
" separate bell and main trans body. If the bolt pattern is the same, the
" transmissions could conceivably be exchanged. I know the Ford units
" have a different valve body, but I'm not sure about input and output
" shaft splines.
years ago i was told by someone - larry daum maybe? - that the fmx
could bolt into place of a bw. dunno about splines either - but isn't
the m12 output 28 spline? that sounds fordish...
hmmm... if the aod -is- based on the fmx, maybe it would bolt up too?
on the input side anyway.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:38:50 -0400
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] E85 and Old Cars
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You should be able to find websites on converting. If you can't, search for ethanol conversions. E85 is 85% ethanol, 15% gasoline. That's just enough to increase volatility for easier cold weather starts/running as I understand it.
Make sure you rebuild the carb and replace all fuel lines if they are original. Any natural rubber and some older synthetics will be erroded by the ethanol. If you have a plastic or foam float I'd replace that too. Any new one should be alcohol resistant, or any made over the last 15-20 years (since "gasohol" -- 10-15% ethanol -- has been out).
On April 24, 2006 marq@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Has anyone converted a carburetor engine to run on E85? I have been reading posts on other sites that talk about rejetting and using additives to prevent lubrication issues. How hard would it be to get it to work in my 70 Ambo?
>
> John
> E85 Land (Indiana)
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:52:23 -0400
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiring diagrams
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If you look on the door tag (with model#, etc.), it should have something about the Motor Vehicle Safety Act of 1966, a list of specific regulations, or "meets all federal safety standarda applicable at time of manufacture". The first one is the most common. The law for hazard lights came into effect 01 January 1966 -- the Motor Vehicle Safety Act. 1966 models produced before January did not have to have flashers. AMC had an under dash switch that was factory instaled on late 66 models, and could be dealer (or owner) installed on all prior AMC built cars. I'm not sure how earlier Nash models were wired, but if they used bullet connectors (most likely) the switch would be useful back to 1946. Of course it could be used on other cars with bullet connectors, just match the colors. IIRC the instructions sheet with the switch has the function of each wire, though in an AMC you just matched colors. The 66 TSM shows the switch.
The switch could have been removed at a later date also. Maybe it quit working or the owner didn't like it? I have one, bought it at Kenosha in 98. The back of the switch will break off pretty easy, causing shorts. I ended up taping mine up to prevent this, but removed it once I installed a 1980s GM column.
On April 24, 2006 Matt Haas wrote:
> Flashers were not a 1966 requirement. My former 66 Rebel was made in March
> of 1966 and did not have them.
>
> Matt
>
> At 11:15 AM 4/24/2006 -0700, you wrote:
> >Oh, OK, that makes sense.--
> >Mark Price
> >markprice242ATadelphia.net
> >Morgantown, WV
> >
> >
> >---- farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > > The 65 doesn't have a flasher switch in the column -- no emergency
> > flashers at all (that was a 66 requirement). So no flasher wiring like
> > your 69. 66 models got an under dash switch with built in flasher that
> > plugged in between the column and signal lights (plugged into pigtails on
> > the switch, another set of pigtails plugged into the column connector).
> > So when you add a 67 or later column with built in flasher switch, you
> > run power to flasher then to the single wire on the column. The column
> > switch diverts power to the signal lights.
> > >
> > >
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 6:04:50 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Good Old List Guys
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I've never not been around since I found the list.
Sometimes I'm just plain too busy or depressed to post, but I'm usually around!
I hate this time of year, Time changes and my system goes into convulsions and it is commencement time at work with all the students trying to get things done and people are stressed out. This year I'm fighting back and taking any minute I see available and just leaving work for a while. I made 1/2 my base salary in overtime last year and life sucks when you can't enjoy it! Money or not! Therefore my goal is to work less hours and let the year end gross fall if it needs to!
I haven't done much touching of my cars recently, I hope to soon. I've done some parts gathering, like I need more!
I would really like to clear up some more stuff and if anyone needs any American small parts or Ambassador misc let me know your needs and I'll look to see what is floating around my various pile, just don't be in a big hurry!
I really want to get the trough area and drivers cowl corner rebuilt in the Ambassador. I've got definite plans on how that is going to be done!
I've got the stuff here to put 12" WJ discs on the front of my American with 82-83 Concord calipers. Then I will put the remaining stuff over onto the Ambassador. I thought about putting the 12" discs on the Ambassador, but I don't want to go to a big aftermarket wheel on it. I've heard mixed results on getting the WJ rotor and Concord XJ caliper to clear 15" wheels, so I won't know if it will work till I try it. I need to get the rotors drilled to 4 1/2" pattern yet. I'm thinking of having it done at a shop, but don't have time to get an estimate on this.
Enough for now, maybe next time I can report some actual results on something.
Yes, I'm still willing to sell the Ambassador project!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- RetroRalph <retroralph@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Sure is nice to see the old list guys back checking in again...
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 6:08:19 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiper switch needed
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Cc: Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Are the box and switch both still available new then? :]
I know an American that needs intermittant wipers and I've already converted it to a Hornet switch and XJ wiper motor so The intermittant should be a plug in deal!
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> A: Tell them it is an '87 Ford F250 with 6.9L diesel and intermittent
> wipers. Controller is the same also. There is a pin in the non-int wiper
> switch to keep it from being plugged into the harness for the int box. If
> you go non-intermittent, you can unplug the box (which just plugs into the
> int switch at one end and the harness on the other) and plug the regular
> switch in with no modifications.
>
>
> From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiper switch needed
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <200604241702.k3OH2ZP15756@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> " From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
> "
> " I need to locate a wiper switch for my 82 Eagle SX/4 with
> intermittent
> " wipes. NAPA does not have a listing. Anybody have a source
> or a good
> " used one? Will a Jeep Grand Wagoneer or other Jeep
> interchange?
>
> isn't this a ford-sourced part? thought i read that
> somewhere...
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:54:52 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Shut Up & Drive/100 AMCs For Sale/list 90/april 06
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Doug Shepard" <dshepard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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lots of cars for sale, note my 68 amx has about 9-10 hours left in auction
on fee-bay and is only $760, no reserve and no class! Click on link below as
it has directly link to that, and my 69 Ambassador SST which recently was a
no sale on ebay and is still for sale also, happy hunting/
http://www.planethoustonamx.com/Shut_Up_Files/suad_90.htm
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:24:40 -0500
From: Jock J Jocewicz <namdra@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] BW M12 tran question
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
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Back in the 70's when I lived in California, I installed a FMX tranny in
our "Were Gone" 12-second street-strip 69 SC/Rambler. It has been so many
years since I did it that I have forgotten exactly what we had to do to
install it but the FMX held up to the abuse we gave it!
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:27:40 +0000 farna@xxxxxxx writes:
> Unfortunately none of the parts mentioned in the article are
> available any more. But there is one way to increase internal
> pressure -- replace the Primary Regulator Spring with a slightly
> stiffer one, or put a couple washers/shims under the retainer. The
> spring is easy to find -- there is a clip on retainer on the side of
> the valve body. It's near the electric downshift solenoid, but on
> the main body.
>
> You mean the FMX Ralph (not FMC), but I'll forgive you since you
> have "AMC" on the brain -- like many of us here!! ;>
>
> The rebuild kits are only slightly different for the Ford FMX and BW
> trans. Gears, clutch plates, and bands are the same. It also has a
> separate bell and main trans body. If the bolt pattern is the same,
> the transmissions could conceivably be exchanged. I know the Ford
> units have a different valve body, but I'm not sure about input and
> output shaft splines. I have been told early in my AMC days about
> Hornets with Ford FMX auto transmissions, but even then I knew the
> BW was realted to the FMX. When I corrected one person, they got
> irate and told me they knew it was a Ford because Ford parts were
> used by the rebuilder. I didn't press the issue -- but BW and FMX
> transmissions share most internal parts.
>
> --
> Frank Swygert
> Publisher, "American Independent
> Magazine" (AIM)
> For all AMC enthusiasts
> http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
> (free download available!)
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:10:47 -0700
> From: "RetroRalph" <retroralph@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] BW M12 tran question
> To: <amc-list@xxxxxxx>
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>
> Here is an article on the M-11 and how B&M beefed up this
> transmission. I
> don't know how close it is to the M12. but maybe there is some info
> there
> for you.
>
> Toughening AM's Automatic - (From Hot Rod Magazine May 1969 -/- Text
> and
> photos by Bud Lang)
>
> July 2001 newsletter as posted at:
> http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/classicamx/index.htm
>
>
> Go to this web page link and look on left sidebar for the
> newsletter. It is
> about half way thru the newsletter page...
>
> I heard of local trans shops replacing BW autos with FMC autos.
> Don't know
> if was entire Transm or if just the FMC guts in the AMC case.
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:23:09 -0700
From: "Larry R. Daum" <mramc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 1969 AMC V8 spark plugs
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Subject: [AMC-List] 1969 AMC V8 spark plugs
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What number champion plug do you use in this motor, the tech
manual says
rn12yc-the champion website calls for the rn14yc, I put the 14's
in my amx
now its not running as good, I pulled autolites out and didn't
take the
number off them- I think they were 65's, and their website calls
for 66's
wHAT GIVES?
Life seemed so ez
Jeff
Tampa Bay
1969 390 AMX
Jeff, The period correct plugs for your AMX are Champion N-12Y, the
C is a for a modern copper core plug. I never got along with the copper
core plugs. I always thought they were a step backwards. Also the factory
plugs are a solid plug without the screw on cap most after market plugs have.
Be sure you have the caps on tight or the engine can miss. I use the Bosch
Platinum plugs in my cars. Platinum has a wider more forgiving heat range
then a standard or copper core plug because it flows electricity and heat
better.
Yes, they are couple bucks more then standard plug but I've always had good
luck with them
in AMC engines. Get the Bosch plug in an N-12 Champion heat range and you
should have no problems.
LRDaum
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:08:38 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiper switch needed
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
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On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 11:12, markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> They are indeed Ford souced. what you have to look for is to make sure
> the shaft and mounting match up. IIRC the plug in on the back is the
> same clear back to at least 73. Only difference in electrics is with
> or without delay wipers. Delay is just an add-on box that plugs in
> series between the delay switch and the harness.
Actually, the switch assmebly is quite different between delay and
non-delay... first, there's the delay pot reach by turning left from OFF
that's obviously not there on the non-delays, but also, the plug that
mates to the back of the switch is subtly different and won't
interchange -- you need a delay-wiper connector to match the delay-wiper
control. They look almost the same though; just one blocking lug moved.
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