Re: [AMC-List] AMC-List Digest, Vol 3, Issue 47

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>   1. Re: Wiring diagrams (farna@xxxxxxx)
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>   3. Re: V8 Gremlin axle setup for sale (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
>   4. Re: Wiring diagrams (Sandwich Maker)
>   5. Insurance and 9.25 Dodge axle? (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
>   6. Re: Wiring diagrams (farna@xxxxxxx)
>   7. Re: BW M12 tran question (farna@xxxxxxx)
>   8. Wiper switch needed (Wayne E LaMothe)
>   9. Re: Wiper switch needed (Sandwich Maker)
>  10. acceptance for AMC's at Mopar shows (eddie walker)
>  11. Re: Wiper switch needed (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
>  12. Re: Wiring diagrams (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
>  13. Re: BW M12 tran question (RetroRalph)
>  14. Need Clarification Of An Old Myth (Mr. AMC)
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> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:56:17 -0400
> From: farna@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiring diagrams
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> Go to http://www.amccf.com/main.html, click on "Tech Info", then scroll 
> down to "Wiring Diagrams". If you have the flasher switch on the column 
> wiring the flasher is simple. Run a hot wire (+12V) to one leg of a two 
> prong flasher and run the wire from the steering column wiring harness to 
> the other leg. That's it! Thw switch does the rest.
>
> On April 23, 2006 Gary L. Kirk wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know where I can get a copy of wiring diagrams for a 74 
>> Hornet.
>> I am installing a steering column out of one into my 65 American. Am 
>> having trouble making the directionals work and also would like to know 
>> for sure how to add the "Flasher" system.
>> Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Gary Kirk
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> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 8:29:25 -0700
> From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiring diagrams
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> Frank,
> Huh? That answer confuses me and I wired one into my 69!
> 69 is easy it wires up wire for wire inline down the switch! Your just 
> going from a curved plug to a straight plug! I didn't cut my harness or 
> switch,  I did end up with acouple of extra wires at the end for the 
> ignition key buzzer and column shift indicator light that I removed. I 
> made an adapter from the plug off my old switch and a harness connector 
> from the 73 harness. That way I can go back and forth between columns if 
> needed, but I don't think that will be happening. I think the 65 is 
> different from my 69.
>
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
>
>
> ---- farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
> If you have the flasher switch on the column wiring the flasher is simple. 
> Run a hot wire (+12V) to one leg of a two prong flasher and run the wire 
> from the steering column wiring harness to the other leg. That's it! Thw 
> switch does the rest.
>>
>> On April 23, 2006 Gary L. Kirk wrote:
>>
>> > Does anyone know where I can get a copy of wiring diagrams for a 74 
>> > Hornet.
>> > I am installing a steering column out of one into my 65 American. Am 
>> > having trouble making the directionals work and also would like to know 
>> > for sure how to add the "Flasher" system.
>> > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Gary Kirk
>> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 8:41:26 -0700
> From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] V8 Gremlin axle setup for sale
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
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> I too wondered about this. I am in the market, but I have so much crap 
> laying around I refuse to buy something like this until I see the 
> possibility of actualy needing it!
>  I'll probably die before I see the convertible on the road. Progress is 
> stalled due to work and kids and wife and more work and kids and wife and, 
> well you get the picture!
> -
> -
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
>
>
> ---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> " From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> " Cc: cadipacer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> "
>> " SALE; V8 Gremlin Axle assy set up for coil springs for use in the 58-66
>> " Classics,
>> " []
>> " this is a extra unit I had made when I installed the 401 in the 62
>> " Classic.. been in my car for 11 years, works good. 502-964-4328 aft 5 
>> phil
>> " amin cadipacer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> " ======================================
>>
>> not in the market, just curious - how good a width match was it to the
>> original?
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:02:11 -0400 (EDT)
> From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiring diagrams
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
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> " From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> "
> " Frank,
> "  Huh? That answer confuses me and I wired one into my 69!
> " 69 is easy it wires up wire for wire inline down the switch!
> " []
> " I think the 65 is different from my 69.
>
> it is.  '67 and up are already saginaw columns; '66 and earlier are
> the ford style.
>
> not coincidentally imho, '67 was the year 4-way flashers became
> federally mandated.
>
> " ---- farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
> "  If you have the flasher switch on the column wiring the flasher is
> " simple. Run a hot wire (+12V) to one leg of a two prong flasher and run
> " the wire from the steering column wiring harness to the other leg.
> " That's it! Thw switch does the rest.
> " >
> " > On April 23, 2006 Gary L. Kirk wrote:
> " >
> " > > Does anyone know where I can get a copy of wiring diagrams for a 74 
> Hornet.
> " > > I am installing a steering column out of one into my 65 American.
> " > > Am having trouble making the directionals work and also would like
> " > > to know for sure how to add the "Flasher" system.
> " > > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Gary Kirk
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
> internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 9:09:15 -0700
> From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [AMC-List] Insurance and 9.25 Dodge axle?
> To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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> two questions, Anyone ever have any troubles with AON insurance? Their 
> rates are good an dthey don't have nearly as many restrictions on classic 
> car use as Haggerty does. I'm going to switch over end of next month 
> unless anyone has any horror stories to tell. I'm tired of not being 
> "allowed" to drive the American on pretty days cause it is not a weekend 
> or Holiday or other "special" event.
>
>   Can anyone tell me how good the factory 9.25 MOPAR posi units are? I'm 
> looking at a pull from a wrecked 34,000 mile truck and wondering if it 
> will need rebuilt or if it will beuseable as-is. I know the one in my S-10 
> was weak and am wondering about the Dodge unit.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:10:04 -0400
> From: farna@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiring diagrams
> To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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> The 65 doesn't have a flasher switch in the column -- no emergency 
> flashers at all (that was a 66 requirement). So no flasher wiring like 
> your 69. 66 models got an under dash switch with built in flasher that 
> plugged in between the column and signal lights (plugged into pigtails on 
> the switch, another set of pigtails plugged into the column connector). So 
> when you add a 67 or later column with built in flasher switch, you run 
> power to flasher then to the single wire on the column. The column switch 
> diverts power to the signal lights.
>
> On April 24, 2006 markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
>> Frank,
>>  Huh? That answer confuses me and I wired one into my 69!
>> 69 is easy it wires up wire for wire inline down the switch! Your just 
>> going from a curved plug to a straight plug! I didn't cut my harness or 
>> switch,  I did end up with acouple of extra wires at the end for the 
>> ignition key buzzer and column shift indicator light that I removed. I 
>> made an adapter from the plug off my old switch and a harness connector 
>> from the 73 harness. That way I can go back and forth between columns if 
>> needed, but I don't think that will be happening. I think the 65 is 
>> different from my 69.
>>
>> Mark Price
>> markprice242ATadelphia.net
>> Morgantown, WV
>>
>>
>> ---- farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
>>  If you have the flasher switch on the column wiring the flasher is 
>> simple. Run a hot wire (+12V) to one leg of a two prong flasher and run 
>> the wire from the steering column wiring harness to the other leg. That's 
>> it! Thw switch does the rest.
>> >
>> > On April 23, 2006 Gary L. Kirk wrote:
>> >
>> > > Does anyone know where I can get a copy of wiring diagrams for a 74 
>> > > Hornet.
>> > > I am installing a steering column out of one into my 65 American. Am 
>> > > having trouble making the directionals work and also would like to 
>> > > know for sure how to add the "Flasher" system.
>> > > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Gary Kirk
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > AMC-List mailing list
>> > > AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:15:37 -0400
> From: farna@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] BW M12 tran question
> To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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> I couldn't find any web references other than a parts break-down and some 
> hints at http://www.amccf.com/main.html (click Tech Info then scroll 
> down). I did find the gearing though -- 2.40 first, 1.47 second, 1:1 third 
> (no reverse ratio found). This is from a 64 Studebaker Avanti reference so 
> is actually the M-8 or M-10. But the Ford FMX was virtually the same 
> transmission and shares most internal components with the BW, just a 
> different case and valve body. A 68 FMX also has the same gearing -- can't 
> be coincidence. The 68 would be more like a M-11 or M-12. Note that the 
> Ford AOD is based on the FMX and also uses the exact same gearing -- with 
> the addition of a 0.67:1 OD gear.
>
>
> On April 23, 2006 CincyAMX wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I need to find a site or reference material on BW M12 trans. Such as 
>> gearing, shift points and repairs.
>>
>> Thanks
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:33:45 -0400
> From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] Wiper switch needed
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <20060424.123345.3724.0.superglider@xxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> I need to locate a wiper switch for my 82 Eagle SX/4 with intermittent
> wipes.  NAPA does not have a listing.  Anybody have a source or a good
> used one?  Will a Jeep Grand Wagoneer or other Jeep interchange?
>
> Thanks
>
> Wayne
> Wayne & Lisa (Skeezix), Bolton Landing, NY,
> http://www.superglider.thinkhost.com/
> AMO#8454, 83 Eagle Limited Wagon, 82 SX/4, 258 auto
> 69 Ambo coupe, 401, M12, 66 Ambo 990 Wagon, 327,PW,PB,PS,posi,AM/FM,AC
> 88 Jeep J10 360, auto- a Real truck
> 2001 Cherokee, 2000 Chrysler Cirrus (both hers)
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:02:35 -0400 (EDT)
> From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiper switch needed
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <200604241702.k3OH2ZP15756@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> " From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
> "
> " I need to locate a wiper switch for my 82 Eagle SX/4 with intermittent
> " wipes.  NAPA does not have a listing.  Anybody have a source or a good
> " used one?  Will a Jeep Grand Wagoneer or other Jeep interchange?
>
> isn't this a ford-sourced part?  thought i read that somewhere...
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
> internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:29:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: eddie walker <moparedwalker@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] acceptance for AMC's at Mopar shows
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <20060424172926.28523.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> I am a true blue mopar lover and have been for 25 years. When AMC first 
> came to the shows, I also scorned the cars. Instead of staying on the 
> sidelines though, I decided to look at the AMC a little closer. What I 
> found was a delightful little car that was well built and frankly ahead of 
> its time in styling. I am now hooked on the cars. I can tell you that 
> attitudes have changed in the Mopar camp and alot are now embracing the 
> car as one of their own. I will take mine to Mopar shows with pride. You 
> may get a few that dont like it but the overwhelming majority will rush to 
> look at your cars and leave the overdone Mopars alone. ...I hope you go 
> with your car.....eddie walker
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:12:12 -0700
> From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiper switch needed
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <23816494.1145902332810.JavaMail.root@web26>
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> They are indeed Ford souced. what you have to look for is to make sure the 
> shaft and mounting match up. IIRC the plug in on the back is the same 
> clear back to at least 73. Only difference in electrics is with or without 
> delay wipers. Delay is just an add-on box that plugs in series between the 
> delay switch and the harness.
> --
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
>
>
> ---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> " From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
>> "
>> " I need to locate a wiper switch for my 82 Eagle SX/4 with intermittent
>> " wipes.  NAPA does not have a listing.  Anybody have a source or a good
>> " used one?  Will a Jeep Grand Wagoneer or other Jeep interchange?
>>
>> isn't this a ford-sourced part?  thought i read that somewhere...
>> ________________________________________________________________________
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:15:33 -0700
> From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiring diagrams
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
> Cc: farna@xxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <2351044.1145902533232.JavaMail.root@web26>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Oh, OK, that makes sense.--
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
>
>
> ---- farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
>> The 65 doesn't have a flasher switch in the column -- no emergency 
>> flashers at all (that was a 66 requirement). So no flasher wiring like 
>> your 69. 66 models got an under dash switch with built in flasher that 
>> plugged in between the column and signal lights (plugged into pigtails on 
>> the switch, another set of pigtails plugged into the column connector). 
>> So when you add a 67 or later column with built in flasher switch, you 
>> run power to flasher then to the single wire on the column. The column 
>> switch diverts power to the signal lights.
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:10:47 -0700
> From: "RetroRalph" <retroralph@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] BW M12 tran question
> To: <amc-list@xxxxxxx>
> Message-ID: <003001c667db$2d5e2080$6400a8c0@ralphs1>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> reply-type=original
>
> Here is an article on the M-11 and how B&M beefed up this transmission.  I
> don't know how close it is to the M12.  but maybe there is some info there
> for you.
>
> Toughening AM's Automatic - (From Hot Rod Magazine May 1969 -/- Text and
> photos by Bud Lang)
>
> July 2001 newsletter as posted at:
> http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/classicamx/index.htm
>
>
> Go to this web page link and look on left sidebar for the newsletter.  It 
> is
> about half way thru the newsletter page...
>
> I heard of local trans shops replacing BW autos with FMC autos.  Don't 
> know
> if was entire Transm or if just the FMC guts in the AMC case.
> ______________________________________________________________
> Ralph Ausmann  -  Hillsboro, OR - > <ralph.ausmann@xxxxxxxxx>
> http://mysite.verizon.net/res79g4m/ ... and "check the links"
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <farna@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] BW M12 tran question
>
>
>>I couldn't find any web references other than a parts break-down and some
>>hints at http://www.amccf.com/main.html (click Tech Info then scroll 
>>down).
>>I did find the gearing though -- 2.40 first, 1.47 second, 1:1 third (no
>>reverse ratio found). This is from a 64 Studebaker Avanti reference so is
>>actually the M-8 or M-10. But the Ford FMX was virtually the same
>>transmission and shares most internal components with the BW, just a
>>different case and valve body. A 68 FMX also has the same gearing -- can't
>>be coincidence. The 68 would be more like a M-11 or M-12. Note that the
>>Ford AOD is based on the FMX and also uses the exact same gearing -- with
>>the addition of a 0.67:1 OD gear.
>>
>> On April 23, 2006 CincyAMX wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>> I need to find a site or reference material on BW M12 trans. Such as
>>> gearing, shift points and repairs.
>>> Thanks
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:07:26 -0400
> From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
> Subject: [AMC-List] Need Clarification Of An Old Myth
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, amc_club_of_socal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
> BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <10564-444D4C1E-1506@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII
>
> I was sitting here this afternoon polishing out the slightly scratched
> but un-dinged piece of stainless trim for my 74 Hornet Hatchback that
> runs horizontal between the tail light's under the hatch. I remember
> many times over the years that it was stated on a number of AMC lists
> that you could bend it a little in the middle and use it on the hood of
> a Javelin but it would be just a touch short and not of the right
> configuration. Anyone ever do this? Without measuring the length and
> just looking at it it seems to me it would be waaaay to short length
> wise. anyone ever do this? Just curious.
> "Doc"
>
>
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