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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Wiring diagrams (farna@xxxxxxx)
2. Re: Wiring diagrams (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
3. Re: V8 Gremlin axle setup for sale (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
4. Re: Wiring diagrams (Sandwich Maker)
5. Insurance and 9.25 Dodge axle? (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
6. Re: Wiring diagrams (farna@xxxxxxx)
7. Re: BW M12 tran question (farna@xxxxxxx)
8. Wiper switch needed (Wayne E LaMothe)
9. Re: Wiper switch needed (Sandwich Maker)
10. acceptance for AMC's at Mopar shows (eddie walker)
11. Re: Wiper switch needed (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
12. Re: Wiring diagrams (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
13. Re: BW M12 tran question (RetroRalph)
14. Need Clarification Of An Old Myth (Mr. AMC)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:56:17 -0400
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiring diagrams
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Go to http://www.amccf.com/main.html, click on "Tech Info", then scroll down to "Wiring Diagrams". If you have the flasher switch on the column wiring the flasher is simple. Run a hot wire (+12V) to one leg of a two prong flasher and run the wire from the steering column wiring harness to the other leg. That's it! Thw switch does the rest.
On April 23, 2006 Gary L. Kirk wrote:
> Does anyone know where I can get a copy of wiring diagrams for a 74 Hornet.
> I am installing a steering column out of one into my 65 American. Am having trouble making the directionals work and also would like to know for sure how to add the "Flasher" system.
> Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Gary Kirk
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 8:29:25 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiring diagrams
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Frank,
Huh? That answer confuses me and I wired one into my 69!
69 is easy it wires up wire for wire inline down the switch! Your just going from a curved plug to a straight plug! I didn't cut my harness or switch, I did end up with acouple of extra wires at the end for the ignition key buzzer and column shift indicator light that I removed. I made an adapter from the plug off my old switch and a harness connector from the 73 harness. That way I can go back and forth between columns if needed, but I don't think that will be happening. I think the 65 is different from my 69.
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
If you have the flasher switch on the column wiring the flasher is simple. Run a hot wire (+12V) to one leg of a two prong flasher and run the wire from the steering column wiring harness to the other leg. That's it! Thw switch does the rest.
>
> On April 23, 2006 Gary L. Kirk wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know where I can get a copy of wiring diagrams for a 74 Hornet.
> > I am installing a steering column out of one into my 65 American. Am having trouble making the directionals work and also would like to know for sure how to add the "Flasher" system.
> > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Gary Kirk
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 8:41:26 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] V8 Gremlin axle setup for sale
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I too wondered about this. I am in the market, but I have so much crap laying around I refuse to buy something like this until I see the possibility of actualy needing it!
I'll probably die before I see the convertible on the road. Progress is stalled due to work and kids and wife and more work and kids and wife and, well you get the picture!
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Mark Price
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Morgantown, WV
---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> " From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> " Cc: cadipacer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> "
> " SALE; V8 Gremlin Axle assy set up for coil springs for use in the 58-66
> " Classics,
> " []
> " this is a extra unit I had made when I installed the 401 in the 62
> " Classic.. been in my car for 11 years, works good. 502-964-4328 aft 5 phil
> " amin cadipacer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> " ======================================
>
> not in the market, just curious - how good a width match was it to the
> original?
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:02:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiring diagrams
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200604241602.k3OG2Bn14885@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
"
" Frank,
" Huh? That answer confuses me and I wired one into my 69!
" 69 is easy it wires up wire for wire inline down the switch!
" []
" I think the 65 is different from my 69.
it is. '67 and up are already saginaw columns; '66 and earlier are
the ford style.
not coincidentally imho, '67 was the year 4-way flashers became
federally mandated.
" ---- farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
" If you have the flasher switch on the column wiring the flasher is
" simple. Run a hot wire (+12V) to one leg of a two prong flasher and run
" the wire from the steering column wiring harness to the other leg.
" That's it! Thw switch does the rest.
" >
" > On April 23, 2006 Gary L. Kirk wrote:
" >
" > > Does anyone know where I can get a copy of wiring diagrams for a 74 Hornet.
" > > I am installing a steering column out of one into my 65 American.
" > > Am having trouble making the directionals work and also would like
" > > to know for sure how to add the "Flasher" system.
" > > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Gary Kirk
________________________________________________________________________
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internet rambler is to see what all have seen
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 9:09:15 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Insurance and 9.25 Dodge axle?
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two questions, Anyone ever have any troubles with AON insurance? Their rates are good an dthey don't have nearly as many restrictions on classic car use as Haggerty does. I'm going to switch over end of next month unless anyone has any horror stories to tell. I'm tired of not being "allowed" to drive the American on pretty days cause it is not a weekend or Holiday or other "special" event.
Can anyone tell me how good the factory 9.25 MOPAR posi units are? I'm looking at a pull from a wrecked 34,000 mile truck and wondering if it will need rebuilt or if it will beuseable as-is. I know the one in my S-10 was weak and am wondering about the Dodge unit.
Thanks,
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:10:04 -0400
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiring diagrams
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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The 65 doesn't have a flasher switch in the column -- no emergency flashers at all (that was a 66 requirement). So no flasher wiring like your 69. 66 models got an under dash switch with built in flasher that plugged in between the column and signal lights (plugged into pigtails on the switch, another set of pigtails plugged into the column connector). So when you add a 67 or later column with built in flasher switch, you run power to flasher then to the single wire on the column. The column switch diverts power to the signal lights.
On April 24, 2006 markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Frank,
> Huh? That answer confuses me and I wired one into my 69!
> 69 is easy it wires up wire for wire inline down the switch! Your just going from a curved plug to a straight plug! I didn't cut my harness or switch, I did end up with acouple of extra wires at the end for the ignition key buzzer and column shift indicator light that I removed. I made an adapter from the plug off my old switch and a harness connector from the 73 harness. That way I can go back and forth between columns if needed, but I don't think that will be happening. I think the 65 is different from my 69.
>
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
>
>
> ---- farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
> If you have the flasher switch on the column wiring the flasher is simple. Run a hot wire (+12V) to one leg of a two prong flasher and run the wire from the steering column wiring harness to the other leg. That's it! Thw switch does the rest.
> >
> > On April 23, 2006 Gary L. Kirk wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone know where I can get a copy of wiring diagrams for a 74 Hornet.
> > > I am installing a steering column out of one into my 65 American. Am having trouble making the directionals work and also would like to know for sure how to add the "Flasher" system.
> > > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Gary Kirk
> > > _______________________________________________
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:15:37 -0400
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] BW M12 tran question
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I couldn't find any web references other than a parts break-down and some hints at http://www.amccf.com/main.html (click Tech Info then scroll down). I did find the gearing though -- 2.40 first, 1.47 second, 1:1 third (no reverse ratio found). This is from a 64 Studebaker Avanti reference so is actually the M-8 or M-10. But the Ford FMX was virtually the same transmission and shares most internal components with the BW, just a different case and valve body. A 68 FMX also has the same gearing -- can't be coincidence. The 68 would be more like a M-11 or M-12. Note that the Ford AOD is based on the FMX and also uses the exact same gearing -- with the addition of a 0.67:1 OD gear.
On April 23, 2006 CincyAMX wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I need to find a site or reference material on BW M12 trans. Such as gearing, shift points and repairs.
>
> Thanks
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:33:45 -0400
From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Wiper switch needed
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
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I need to locate a wiper switch for my 82 Eagle SX/4 with intermittent
wipes. NAPA does not have a listing. Anybody have a source or a good
used one? Will a Jeep Grand Wagoneer or other Jeep interchange?
Thanks
Wayne
Wayne & Lisa (Skeezix), Bolton Landing, NY,
http://www.superglider.thinkhost.com/
AMO#8454, 83 Eagle Limited Wagon, 82 SX/4, 258 auto
69 Ambo coupe, 401, M12, 66 Ambo 990 Wagon, 327,PW,PB,PS,posi,AM/FM,AC
88 Jeep J10 360, auto- a Real truck
2001 Cherokee, 2000 Chrysler Cirrus (both hers)
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:02:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiper switch needed
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200604241702.k3OH2ZP15756@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
"
" I need to locate a wiper switch for my 82 Eagle SX/4 with intermittent
" wipes. NAPA does not have a listing. Anybody have a source or a good
" used one? Will a Jeep Grand Wagoneer or other Jeep interchange?
isn't this a ford-sourced part? thought i read that somewhere...
________________________________________________________________________
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internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:29:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: eddie walker <moparedwalker@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] acceptance for AMC's at Mopar shows
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060424172926.28523.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I am a true blue mopar lover and have been for 25 years. When AMC first came to the shows, I also scorned the cars. Instead of staying on the sidelines though, I decided to look at the AMC a little closer. What I found was a delightful little car that was well built and frankly ahead of its time in styling. I am now hooked on the cars. I can tell you that attitudes have changed in the Mopar camp and alot are now embracing the car as one of their own. I will take mine to Mopar shows with pride. You may get a few that dont like it but the overwhelming majority will rush to look at your cars and leave the overdone Mopars alone. ...I hope you go with your car.....eddie walker
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:12:12 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiper switch needed
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
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They are indeed Ford souced. what you have to look for is to make sure the shaft and mounting match up. IIRC the plug in on the back is the same clear back to at least 73. Only difference in electrics is with or without delay wipers. Delay is just an add-on box that plugs in series between the delay switch and the harness.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> " From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
> "
> " I need to locate a wiper switch for my 82 Eagle SX/4 with intermittent
> " wipes. NAPA does not have a listing. Anybody have a source or a good
> " used one? Will a Jeep Grand Wagoneer or other Jeep interchange?
>
> isn't this a ford-sourced part? thought i read that somewhere...
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:15:33 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wiring diagrams
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Cc: farna@xxxxxxx
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Oh, OK, that makes sense.--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
> The 65 doesn't have a flasher switch in the column -- no emergency flashers at all (that was a 66 requirement). So no flasher wiring like your 69. 66 models got an under dash switch with built in flasher that plugged in between the column and signal lights (plugged into pigtails on the switch, another set of pigtails plugged into the column connector). So when you add a 67 or later column with built in flasher switch, you run power to flasher then to the single wire on the column. The column switch diverts power to the signal lights.
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:10:47 -0700
From: "RetroRalph" <retroralph@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] BW M12 tran question
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxx>
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Here is an article on the M-11 and how B&M beefed up this transmission. I
don't know how close it is to the M12. but maybe there is some info there
for you.
Toughening AM's Automatic - (From Hot Rod Magazine May 1969 -/- Text and
photos by Bud Lang)
July 2001 newsletter as posted at:
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/classicamx/index.htm
Go to this web page link and look on left sidebar for the newsletter. It is
about half way thru the newsletter page...
I heard of local trans shops replacing BW autos with FMC autos. Don't know
if was entire Transm or if just the FMC guts in the AMC case.
______________________________________________________________
Ralph Ausmann - Hillsboro, OR - > <ralph.ausmann@xxxxxxxxx>
http://mysite.verizon.net/res79g4m/ ... and "check the links"
----- Original Message -----
From: <farna@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] BW M12 tran question
>I couldn't find any web references other than a parts break-down and some
>hints at http://www.amccf.com/main.html (click Tech Info then scroll down).
>I did find the gearing though -- 2.40 first, 1.47 second, 1:1 third (no
>reverse ratio found). This is from a 64 Studebaker Avanti reference so is
>actually the M-8 or M-10. But the Ford FMX was virtually the same
>transmission and shares most internal components with the BW, just a
>different case and valve body. A 68 FMX also has the same gearing -- can't
>be coincidence. The 68 would be more like a M-11 or M-12. Note that the
>Ford AOD is based on the FMX and also uses the exact same gearing -- with
>the addition of a 0.67:1 OD gear.
>
> On April 23, 2006 CincyAMX wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> I need to find a site or reference material on BW M12 trans. Such as
>> gearing, shift points and repairs.
>> Thanks
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:07:26 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] Need Clarification Of An Old Myth
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I was sitting here this afternoon polishing out the slightly scratched
but un-dinged piece of stainless trim for my 74 Hornet Hatchback that
runs horizontal between the tail light's under the hatch. I remember
many times over the years that it was stated on a number of AMC lists
that you could bend it a little in the middle and use it on the hood of
a Javelin but it would be just a touch short and not of the right
configuration. Anyone ever do this? Without measuring the length and
just looking at it it seems to me it would be waaaay to short length
wise. anyone ever do this? Just curious.
"Doc"
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