 
|  You know Doc brings up a interesting point. Back then automakers I guess 
figured they could shove anything out onto the public and it would sell. 
You can paint a turd any color, and have all sorts of excellent marketing 
and 'sell' points but it is still a turd. Iocrappa used to say 'if you can find 
a better car, then buy it' then Chrysler went out and bought AMC. I hate to 
see Chrysler take a beating like it is as hate to see Americans losing jobs 
(gee, like Kenosha in 1989 when Chrysler promised state of Wisconsin that 
they would keep the plants open for 6 years, then after 6 months, decided to 
close them, putting thousands out of work in a economically depressed area) so 
hate to see hard working folks get laid off as many of those jobs will 
never be there again. Back to the Krap-cars however, keep in mind that AMC was 
also pushing Frogcars like Alliance (which won Car of Year award from Motor 
Trend in 1983) I don't think anyone at MT drove one, or had to have it towed to 
service or could not get it unstuck shifter out of third after less than 1000 
miles. The bulletins, revisions were many and at one time I had all the 
bulletins from 1981 thru 1984 and was about size of a 1974 AMC shop manual, 
which is about size of Ivanhoe or War & Peace book. There is a nice page on Bob's site (Arcticboy) about Renault Interesting to see several things, like the Renault's were rather good 
looking and very similiar to what one sees today in car lines, just more 
squared. But they also had Richard Gere's gerbil under hood and Rod stewart's 
stomach pump for trans so thats where it ended. Too bad the Alpine was never offered in the US, could have marketed it as 
maybe AMX/4 or AMX/5 perhaps.  On longevitity: at the Houston area pick a parts: there is usually about 1500-2000 cars. In the 'new section' which is cars 
from 1992-current, it is loaded with Toyota, Honda, Niccan, BMW, Volvo and other 
cars that many have barely hit 100,000 miles. Disposable cars in other words and 
cheaper to replace than fix (you can toss in computers, cell phones, printers, 
and God knows what here) but interesting to see cars that are touted (by their 
manufacturer) scrapped, as having a long life barely getting pass the range of 
what a Cadillac now requires before tune up.... Granted who knows what type of life some had and just like AMC vehicles, I 
guess if you do regular maintainence they will last a long time, however, some 
like the K-cars were doomed from start. Here is a K-car forum, please be quiet 
and don't wake up anyone: Eddie Stakes 713.464.8825 eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.planethoustonamx.com email volume post Hurricane Ike EXTREMELY HEAVY, reply time 20+ days __._,_.___ 
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