RE: [BaadAssGremlins] Re: more on mice (off and on topic at the same time)

["John W Rosa" <JohnRosa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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Davis,

 

Off the deep end we go...'first its hunting, then its the commies making off with our women!'

Get a grip, dude. The end of civilization will not come about as hunting ends. It will just get

more civil.

 

If you'd like to plow through the many reasons why what you said, though you may believe

it with all your heart, is hogwash- Email me direct and we'll go over the true facts, not those

created by the ones doing the killing and those making money from the so-called 'sport'.

Doing it in the group isn't the way to go.

 

John W Rosa
www.JavelinAMX.com  

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From: BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Davis Martin
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:17 AM
To: BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [BaadAssGremlins] Re: more on mice (off and on topic at the same time)

John,

 As an avid hunter all my life I feel you need to educate yourself. I assume you are a Vegan. No animal byproducts at all other wise you are just a hippocrite.

 As for your idea of the deer hunting, if it wasn't for the hunting to thin the population the herds would out grow their food source and ALL die a horrible death. Also by thinning the population it decreases the chance of motorist hitting a deer. Thru out the year deer are hit mainly at night. But when the hunters are as you say "chasing them out onto the roads" It is actually because that also happens to be the Rut season or when the deer get frisky. This is why you see more deer activity not because hunters are chasing them. Hunting for me is not chasing and killing. It is patience and witing for the right moment and it also is th only way to provide quality deer meat as it is not yet readily available at the local market. Although they are starting to experament with farm raised deer.

 In any event I respect your views but before you go bashing hunters do your reasearch and get the facts. Yes there are Jerks that hunt for the wron reasons and give hunters a bad rap but that is the same in every crowd even the AMC croud.

  Sorry for the rant but if it was left up to some people hunting would be banned then Guns would be next and then only the government and crooks would rule our nation.Immagine what would have happened if guns were banned prior to 1776 would we have our independance?

 Davis

John W Rosa <JohnRosa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I'm not sure why you'd think that because I won't squash a spider that

somwehow I'm for the dog killing. Every example you mentioned, up

to and including all forms of legal and illegal hunting, are simply wrong

in my eyes. To intentionally cause suffering and/or harm to another

living thing for one's convenience or, worse yet, enjoyment, is abuse.

Imminent threat to a human life is a separate issue and the only time

I can excuse it. A chewed wire is not an imminent threat.

 

At my mom's place where I store my cars, the glorified sheds I keep my

cars in are open in many areas to the hundreds of chipmunks she

has running around. They are always in among my parts. One nested

in the Hornet's hood insulation at one point. He left when I lifted the

hood and cleared out his stash. Had one living in the air cleaner of my

parts Gremlin for a while. I let him be as that car was going nowhere.

 

Now, those 'car jackets'- I've heard from several folks that have them,

and nobody reported mice trying to get through them- and a couple of

those folks siad mice were why they got one. Your mileage may vary.

 

As for relocation of the mice- I've never had a mouse infestation. I had

a random event on a few ocassions...one mouse, once every few years.

Moving the mouse solved the problem everytime. Sticky traps on the

other hand will never solve an infestation either. One mouse isn't an

infestation. Mouse-proofing is the only 'permanent' solution. All else is

temporary.

 

As for those wasps...err....mad at an insect? Killing others for the crime

of an individual? Anger management, baby. I remember a lady telling me

that she got her new-to-her pickup truck to go hunting because she was

going to get revenge for the deer that destroyed her car the fall before. I

asked if she felt the other deer were part of a conspiracy against her car,

working to aid the deer that actual got in front of her car...the one that

actually died already. I also asked why it was that the number of deer-hits

rise dramatically when the hunters are in the woods, chasing them out onto

the road...and why didn't she blame hunters for the damage. She had no

answers. But she had her truck..yehaa!

 

Wasp nest in my car? Long stick, knock the nest out, wait a few minutes

for the swarm to move off, proceed with hobby. Are they in the mirror and

the stick can't reach? Ziploc bag placed over the mirror head and held closed

around the base by hand. Unscrew the mirror, walk into woods and place

mirror on ground (letting bag settle open). Next day, pick up mirror- bugs

gone. Knock out nest with smaller stick and remount.

 

'They're out to get me! It's me or them! The forces of evil are lining up

against us!' Puuleezz...they're bugs doing what bugs do. :)

 

As for New York's rat troubles....yup, they've tried poison, glue traps...

you name it. Still there. So much for the whole idea of killing as a

solution. Now, if only the folks would rat-proof their food and trash.

But that would take an effort...and humans are lazy. Now, if terrorists

ever infect Budweiser.....goodbye, NASCAR! :)

 

'All Gods creatures', baby. Threaten one member of the system, you

threaten them all.

John 

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From: eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 

 

Before we get really off topic, there are 15+ million dogs and cats put to sleep each year in the US.

http://www.caspca.org/About%20Us.asp

That to me is cruelty, as most are healthy. There are neighborhoods near you, me, anywhere where animals run loose, then are hit and killed by cars, shot, trapped, even bred to fight. We were talking about mice, not dogs, or cats. Yup, there is a all sorts of things out there that are cruel on the market, even Sudafed or paint I guess.

 

But before this sprials out of control into a animal rights, greenpeace, peta (people eat tasty animals) or other topics, we are talking about destructive mice and how to keep them out of homes, cars, and what measures folks, including myself, take to prevent it.

 

I like the hauling them down to the big wooded field John mentions, however, that will not solve the problem, especially if you are in a home/neighborhood, as they will quickly breed again.  Sort of like relocation programs, you put wolves in certain areas, some like that idea to pepopulate, others see it as hunting season. Same with seals.Some see them as friends, others as foes. Wasps, same deal, one bit Noah when he simply wandered near my 74, no pun intended, Hornet Sportabout wagon, I, much less him, didn't know there was a big hive of Texas three inch red wasps under the fender out of sight. His face swelled up like a pumpkin. I took out the whole nest with poison, then proceeded to burn the larvaes, and was so pissed off, then took out fire ant mounds and any spider in the yard. Uh, later I filled the bird feeder. I don't like snakes either, and have caught 5-10 of them in the yard, however, I hold them down with a hoe and check their eyes, if round, friends, and let them go, if eyes ain't round, it is Bastille Day and the carcass goes in the road.

 

Back to AMC however, I have seen some expensive interiors like Pierre Cardin destroyed by vermin. Everyone handles them differently however, like John's plan and my plan. If terrorists ever figure out how to infest rats with some sort of biological warfare, New York would be the first to go:

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/JaneMin.shtml

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