-----Original Message----- From: amc74hornet [mailto:AMC74HORNET@xxxx] I see this afternoon he is lumping Pony cars and Muscle cars into the same catagory. I give up, John is right there is no trying to reason with that man. Someone must have hit him in the head with a Motorola alt. when he was a baby. LOL LOL "Doc" Near as I can figure, his definition of a Muscle Car is any US-owned-company's vehicle with a V8 engine built in the mid-1960s through mid-1970s. He lumps Camaros in the pile, so when does that end....2001? Is a 1982 5.0L Z/28 a Musacle Car? There's a lot of V6 Jap cars that will eat that junk for breakfast. Since he stated a 4-door Parisienne qualifies, I must assume an Olds Vista Cruiser wagon is one, too. And all Dodge D100 vans and 2WD pickups. Why, it's wide open, folks! Thank goodness we've got Johnny B writing the rules (which are subject to revision hourly)! John R.