Now, you see, Doc, you're making sense...stop it. ;) As you properly put it, what 'was' is now different. Magazines today abuse the 'Muscle Car' term just as JB does...which makes him think he's right. But the ORIGINAL definition stands for one segment of the performance cars craze of the 60s and 70s, not all of them as many say today. The Gremlin was the FIRST US-built Sub-Compact, beating Pinto by a few months. Hornet was a Compact. Today a Hornet-sized car is an intermediate. What was intermediate is today full size. (Are they really calling a Taurus full- size? If so, the class is getting even smaller!) As for Tuners, I don't mind them. I don't WANT one, but I don't care who does. They're just a different thing. I have no use for 1920s and 30s cars, but I don't hate them. My preferences are.....heck, here's an updated list of my current fleet. 1973 Hornet X 360/Auto (show baby from Kansas) 1973 Javelin-AMX Pierre Cardin 360/Auto/Go (project) 1974 Javelin-AMX 401/Auto/Go (parting) 1977 Gremlin 258/3spd (parting) 1979 Spirit DL (was 258/4spd, now none, from VA)(for sale) 1979 Spirit-AMX 258/4spd (from VA)(sold, awaiting pick-up) 1981 Spirit DL 258/Auto/Rally suspension (from VA)(for sale) 1982 Eagle SX/4 258/Auto/4WD (for sale) 1986 Eagle Sport wagon 258/Auto/4WD (for sale) (All in northern New Jersey) Good gosh, folks...BUY SOMETHING!!! :) John -----Original Message----- From: AMC74HORNET@xxxx [mailto:AMC74HORNET@xxxx] Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 7:11 AM To: BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [BaadAssGremlins] JB 343 I think Tuners is a bad word here. I never thought of a Gremlin as a sub compact but that term would apply in 2004. What would an SC360 Hornet be called. That was a purpose built factory performance car. What category would that fit into? What was a compact in 74 is now a full size car. A car cover from a Ford Taurus fits my 74 Hornet like it was made for it and the Ford is considered a full size car and my Hornet is a compact. The bottom line it is all a play on words. If you like em drive em and save en don't argue which came first the chicken or the egg. My 2 cents. "Doc" Yahoo! Groups Links