[AMC-list] Fwd: I6 AMC Engine stuff - any takers?

[Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

John Elle has some six cylinder engines and parts he'd like to get rid 
of. The message rambles a bit, but read and see if there's anything 
interesting, especially if you're in the vicinity of Peoria, Arizona.


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> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 05:36:43 -0700
> From: yohnny@xxxxx
> Subject: I6 AMC Engine stuff
>
> Dave,
> John Elle here from the Cactus Cruisers.
> I got your name last night form Kirk Fletcher at a local club meeting.
> Why am I writing?
>
> Frankly I need to clean out my garage.
>
> The Cactus Cruisers made a decision recently to become a joint partner
> to AMCRC, a move the in my opinion was frankly long overdue as Club
> affiliation is important to continual support of an orphan brand that is
> and has been getting harder to support and enjoy. This is only natural
> as interests change as a function of time and enjoying collecting cars
> in general changes along with the specific brands begin to disappear as
> the company goes out of business and those who have any clue at all what
> they were in the first place get older and can't do the things they
> wanted to do, loose their jobs and retire thus run out of money, and the
> parts for them fall off the face of the earth.
> All of which I represent.
> While I have supported a number of national clubs over time including at
> one point an AMCRC membership and wanting certain cars that is on my
> bucket list has been a 1955 Nash 2dr hardtop since the day they came
> out, I have not had one, will not probably ever run across one that I
> can afford or either that or is not worth buying I have had and do at
> the present have way too many AMC cars and are unique except!!! That
> they are not the highly touted desirable models.
> Except my Mark Donohue Javelin.
> Why? Frankly I decided I did not like the Trunnion suspension and given
> a choice of having a performance car with or with out it,I chose to not
> have one with trunnions. I really don't like the way they drive.
> A personal opinion.
> That and in my life I have not had the money to to a righteous
> restoration of something like that nor frankly any interest in what ever
> the end result might be, except maybe that Nash and I have never seen
> one restored.
> But what I have become is a closet I-6 fan and have built and maintained
> or helped people repair their I-6 cars and have owned an I-6 powered
> 1980 Spirit which has been heavily modified to become a smog certifiable
> I-6 street racer and driver complete with fuel injection and one of the
> last AMX's the 1980, the one based on the AMC Spirit, one of 860
> something made and one of the few of the virtually unknown base models
> made only in 1980. A model which is virtually unknown and universally
> ignored.
> Which leads to this e-mail.
> I have I-6 stuff stashed and need to un-stash it.
> First,
> I know where there is a middle 70's 258 I-6 motor sitting which was
> purchased as a replacement for an engine in an Eagle. It is reported to
> have about 70,000 miles on it and is free for the taking.
> Any interest?
> I also have a 232 pulled from an ealy 70's Gremlin that I bought because
> I could. It is supposed to have been rebuilt by the previous owner and
> has about 10,000 miles on it. It has been in my storage for a number of
> years and all I can say is that it is internally free and the crank
> shaft turns.
> This engine has been slated for use in a street rod, a T Roadster simply
> because I am an I-6 fan and I like the short stroke concept of the 232.
> With that is a 904 automatic, also rebuilt with the same mileage on it.
> And a parts transmission.
> In addition I have another 232 parts engine for things like accessory
> mounting brackets etc.
> The problem I have with these is I just turned 71 and realize the
> probability of accomplishing these feats of automotive endeavor is fast
> disappearing.
> Along with this stuff is a Merkur (remember those, a German product
> imported by Ford with a Pinto engine and transmission! Why, don't know
> and didn't sell and is a joke,) 5 speed T-5. This transmission is what
> is called a World Class T-5 which means it is built rugged and has one
> of the higher torque ratings of all of the T-5's used by anyone and with
> a Ford Bolt pattern will mate to a bell housing with the T-4 bolt
> pattern used by AMC on the I-6 and small V8 engined AMC cars, Other wise
> known as the multi-Bell in that the particular bell housing will mate up
> certain 4, 5 and 3 speed transmissions used by AMC in the late 70's (and
> early 80's)
> The Merkur transmission as it is designed to be used by a Pinto or
> Mustang 4 cylinder motor has a short first gear which pretty much makes
> it useless unless you are using a tall final drive axle ratio. It also
> has something like a .6 over drive in 5th which is different than the
> normal .75 overdrive ratio used.
> I bought that to modify and use with a V8 but with the gearing it has it
> is also a rugged and effective I-6 transmission. Again with something
> with the proper gear ratio in the rear axle.
> What is a good gear ratio? About a very low 3.XX:1 or high 2.XX:1 rear
> axle.
> I also have the bell housing this bolts up with.
> While I recognize none of this is bolt in compatible with anything AMC
> or Rambler ever made there are a whole bunch of very nice cars sitting
> and waiting to be restored or hot rodded and enjoyed lacking a drive
> train some where and the AMC I-6 makes an easy to use and quite quick
> and reliable motor taking in many cases not a whole lot to put into
> place and make work.
> Along with these items is a Cliffod 4bbl intake manifold and the Cast
> aluminum valve cover that bolts to the pre-threaded cylinder head.
> Included with that is a serviceable. Carter 400 cfm AFB carburetor. A
> size that is perfect for an I-6 engine.
> The BBD 2bbl used on the 258 was rated at something like 190cfm which
> while works, is undersized for that engine and frankly limits the
> performance potential to something that at best can be describes as weak.
> MY POINT?
> I've got them, that an misc. I-6 stuff that if I can not find some one
> that ones them and in some cases may even pay for some of it
> it will get thrown out and lost to the hobby, but that is what is going
> on as we speak.
> Any interest anywhere.?
> Right now in AMC hobby as might be expected the interest is pretty much
> focused on the highly touted muscle or pony cars as it should be but the
> family vehicles are being ignored and reduced to parts cars and scrap 
iron.
> I would rather get some money out of these parts as I can use it to
> apply towards finishing my latest project, that of an old mans street
> racer. A 1976 Hornet Sportabout. A station wagon if you are not familiar
> with the body style, that will be and is now powered with a 5.7 L
> Mercruiser Marine engine and a 700 R4 automatic transmission.
> It was a 232 I-6 automatic car.
> It also will have power steering, A/C and be smog legal.
> It is almost ready to start and needs to get ready for paint.
> I know as I said, non-of this is direct bolt in to a Rambler anywhere,
> but there are any number of Rambler bodies that would make a good driver
> hobby car that an I-6 drive train would work well on. All it takes is
> time and money to do that with.
> That is my interpretation of the hobby.
> As the I-6 makes a perfectly good performance engine when breathed on
> that will and does keep up with if not lead todays traffic and fits in
> narrow engine compartments a lot easier.
>
> Any interest. The odds are if not in will be trashed. I need things out
> of here. I am saturated with parts many of which have been stashed for
> I-6's because that has been one of my interests.
>
> John T Elle.
> Peoria AZ
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