Re: [AMC-list] Thinking 'bout transmissions

[markprice242 <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

My two cents from my perspective. Take your time and by all means go to the T14 if you can swing the deal at all. You will end up doing a repair or swap on the T96 sooner or later. Get it out of there. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We all tend to get in a hurry at times with these projects and that ends up, sooner or later, making us regret the path traveled or the short cut taken to get to the end sooner. Even if you can't do the entire swap, I'd lay that T14 in my parts pile. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For a driveshaft you can often find the length you need in a yard. My AMC T5 is hooked up to an unmodified 77 Pinto Wagon driveshaft! It even took the same U-joints. Remember there are adapter ujoints to go between larger and smaller yokes. Most decent parts stores or driveshaft shops have them on the shelf. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark (wrambler) ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Haas" <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
> To: "Rambler AMC, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 4:55:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Thinking 'bout transmissions
> The T-14 will work with a column shifter.
> T-14 was used behind the 232. For sure not behind a 196 and I think
> 199's got the T-96. Yes, a T-96 will live behind a 232 but you will
> not
> get super long service life out of them as they are very light duty
> transmissions. If you're just planning to cruise around, the T-96 will
> work as long as you don't try to use it like a performance
> transmission.
> Matt
> On 6/19/2012 2:49 PM, BruceG spouted this sage advice:
> > While we are on the subject of T14's and T96's:
> > Is the T14 a floor shift only, or could I keep my T96 column shift
> > and
> > make it work with the T14?
> > Was the T96 available behind the 232? Or only the 196 and the 199?
> > I know Frank's stroked 4.0 toasted a T96 in a couple of weeks. Would
> > a
> > T96 survive behind a 2 barrel 232 that was easily driven?
> >
> > I'm trying to decide between going with a T14 out of a Gremlin and
> > taking the floorshift with it, or hoping the T14 could be column
> > shifted (I really like my column shifter), or getting my T96 rebuilt
> > (which could get costly, and I'd hate to do it twice).
> >
> > I'm thinking the T5 route might not be the way for me to go. I kind
> > of
> > have a spouse fix it or lose it deadline that limits options.
> >
> > On 06/18/2012 05:12 PM, Frank Swygert wrote:
> >> There's a shop in Greenville, SC, that can sort through the trans,
> >> but it might be pricey depending on what all it needs. It's not
> >> going
> >> to like being played with a lot either.
> >>
> >> Other's have already told you the late 60s T-14 three speed is your
> >> best choice of manual that will bolt right up. There is a company
> >> in
> >> CA that makes adapters for Falcons to mount a T-5. They have told
> >> me
> >> they will look into making one if I'll send them a bell housing and
> >> some engine measurements. The adapter would be about $200 plus
> >> shipping. Might be the way to go though. If you want to pursue this
> >> send me an e-mail and I'll initiate talks with the guy again. It
> >> might take a 2-3 months to get one though. I don't really want to
> >> send a bell and get him to make one until someone commits to buying
> >> one from them.
> >>
> >> You could go with the M-35 auto. Most won't consider it much of an
> >> upgrade, but it will take a lot more abuse than the T-96. Tom J.
> >> has
> >> put his through a lot -- towing in the desert -- and not had any
> >> real
> >> problems with it. The main thing is making sure the TV cable is
> >> good
> >> and free in the 63-66 models. 67+ models (M-36 and 37) don't have
> >> the
> >> TV cable (vacuum modulator) and have provisions for liquid cooling.
> >> One of those would be fantastic!
> >>
> >> Clifford products are expensive. The first thing I'd do to hop up a
> >> 232 is ditch the head and put a 4.0L head on it. Pre 97 models have
> >> a
> >> nice cast aluminum valve cover, and the 91-99 factory header is
> >> good
> >> too. The stamped steel 97-99 valve cover is much nicer than the
> >> original 232, and the 97-99 heads are a bit better flowing.
> >> Junkyard
> >> prices -- you can get the three pieces for a lot less than the
> >> Clifford parts AND have a better flowing head to boot. The only
> >> caveat to this is you need to figure out what length pushrods are
> >> needed for the 64-70 "short deck" 199/232. No one has done this
> >> yet.
> >> I'd try the 4.0L pushrods and see how they fit, and the original
> >> 232
> >> pushrods. The originals are likely solid and you need hollow
> >> pushrods, but you can check for fit and even run a few seconds with
> >> no problem (but not more than 40-60 seconds!!). If neither of those
> >> fit right you will need to buy a "checking" adjustable pushrod from
> >> someone like Comp Cams and set one cylinder up right, measure the
> >> pushrod (and send it back set right) and order the right length. If
> >> you do that let me know what length worked! Check the lifters also.
> >> They should have an oil hole in the pushrod seat (top), but may
> >> not.
> >> Lifters are relatively cheap, but I'd replace the cam anyway if the
> >> head was off. An Isky Supercam will really wake up a stock AMC
> >> six!!
> >> Regardless of what you do for intake and exhaust, you REALLY need
> >> to
> >> upgrade the cam. That will make more power for the least effort
> >> even
> >> if all other parts are stock -- but will be best with improved
> >> intake
> >> and exhaust to really let it reach its potential.
> >>
> >> --------------
> >> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:18:40 -0400
> >> From: BruceG<bruce.griffis@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To:amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >> I need to find a transmission shop to sort through the T96.
> >>
> >> But while I'm thinking about it - the 232 is in the Rambler. There
> >> seems
> >> to be plenty of headroom to go with the Weber carb. I might want to
> >> play
> >> a little with the engine if I can find Clifford parts at a decent
> >> price.
> >> (that Clifford intake, header, Holley carb and Clifford valve cover
> >> in
> >> Nashville seemed awesome! But a bit of a drive. But awesome!) What
> >> would
> >> be some good alternatives for a manual transmission that should
> >> bolt to
> >> a '68 232? Or if I were to take the car to a good shop that works
> >> with
> >> AMCs - trying to decide if I should rebuild the T96, or go with
> >> something a little sturdier.
> >>
> >> I know there aren't a lot of Falcon, Chevy II, Valiant or Dart
> >> sedans
> >> out there - but I'd like to pretend my Rambler could hold it's own
> >> with
> >> them.
> >>
> >
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